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BTW What has happen to Dave T.? Has he left the group or just listening?
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Not meaning to be argumentative, but the attrition point surprises me since longevities continue to increase and the geriatric crowd seem to be more in evidence than ever before. I see men in their 70’s walking and carrying, which I think is just great.
Good point. I’ve read as much as well. Supposedly the baby boomers that are now getting near retirement age are going to be taking up golf. Up to this point, however, there is as much attrition as new comers. Strange, but true…. if the NGA statistics are correct. Scott
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Actually Sir, you just showed your ignorance and willingness to buy into : anything Nike and some of the media tell you. I just read online that according : to the National Golf Association there hasn’t been any more or less golfers in the : past 5 years – Tiger or no Tiger. : : : Thank You : R J C : : Scott That may be true, but don’t these statistics run at least one year behind? Tiger’s really only been big since the Masters in April. (BTW, I think it’s National Golf Foundation, not "Association.")
Yes, it is National Golf Foundation…. thank you. There wasn’t any mention of lag time with the stats, but that is probably the case as well – considering the amount of time it takes to get census data out. I’m starting to see a lot less young hackers out on my driving range. Their interest peaked within a month after the Masters and I believe many of these kids are finding the game much more difficult (and frustrating) than it looks on TV. What other sport can make very gifted and highly paid athletes look completely inept. ;) Scott
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually Sir, you just showed your ignorance and willingness to buy into anything Nike and some of the media tell you. I just read online that according to the National Golf Association there hasn’t been any more or less golfers in the past 5 years – Tiger or no Tiger. Thank You R J C Scott Scott, if that’s so, then who’s getting all the tee times that used to be pretty easy to obtain, and who’s investing in the new courses? Serious question.
I can only tell you what I read. The attrition is equal to the new golfers. However, if you live in a metropolitan area – or an area for whatever reason has more golfers per capita than most cities, you’ll feel the bite no matter what the stats say. Madison WI paints that picture quite nicely. As for investing. Like any other industry it is cyclical, but probably not so volatile that the investors will lose their shirts. Scott
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually Sir, you just showed your ignorance and willingness to buy into anything Nike and some of the media tell you. I just read online that according to the National Golf Association there hasn’t been any more or less golfers in the past 5 years – Tiger or no Tiger. Thank You R J C Scott Scott, if that’s so, then who’s getting all the tee times that used to be pretty easy to obtain, and who’s investing in the new courses? Serious question. I can only tell you what I read. The attrition is equal to the new golfers. However, if you live in a metropolitan area – or an area for whatever reason has more golfers per capita than most cities, you’ll feel the bite no matter what the stats say. Madison WI paints that picture quite nicely. As for investing. Like any other industry it is cyclical, but probably not so volatile that the investors will lose their shirts. Scott
Not meaning to be argumentative, but the attrition point surprises me since longevities continue to increase and the geriatric crowd seem to be more in evidence than ever before. I see men in their 70’s walking and carrying, which I think is just great.
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Trouble is if you killfile Laville, Pitts, Wall etc., there’s very little left. Or are they just putting the rest of us off posting about GOLF (remember golf? Bag o’ sticks ‘n’ a ball)? Cheers, Dave from the UK http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/monroes/
I have to respectfully disagree. I started reading this newsgroup a couple of months ago and it took only days (in one case minutes) before Pitts, Laville, and a few choice others were happily flaming away at each other in my killfile. There is still quite a bit of content remaining in r.s.g., some of it really good, even after these *contributors* have been given the ax. Adding those subjects which are mostly unrelated to golf such as the Earl Woods, Venus Williams threads to the killfile helps tremendously too. If you are using a newsreader without killfile capabilities you would do yourself a huge favor by changing to one that does. I have used and can recommend Agent for Wintel machines and MT-Newswatcher (available at http://www.santafe.edu/~smfr/mtnw/) for the Mac. — Bob Sweeney NOTE: Remove the trailing ‘x’ from the above address for replies and in the REPLY TO: address in the header Copyright 1997. All rights reserved.
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: Actually Sir, you just showed your ignorance and willingness to buy into : anything Nike and some of the media tell you. I just read online that according : to the National Golf Association there hasn’t been any more or less golfers in the : past 5 years – Tiger or no Tiger. : : : Thank You : R J C : : Scott That may be true, but don’t these statistics run at least one year behind? Tiger’s really only been big since the Masters in April. (BTW, I think it’s National Golf Foundation, not "Association.")
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, first i will apologize in advance if any of my statements offend anyone…this is not my intention, However, i wish to take issue with all of the nonsense that has become so prevalent here on a daily basis regarding Tiger Woods, Earl Wodds, or now we even have people blasting Venus Williams and her father here in the golf forum !! I think there are far to many racist statements being made….and before anyone starts..im a white upper middle class average guy from Los Angeles..so dont go making assumptions of my character. Bottom line…whether you like him or not, he has generated renewed interest in the game…and that only benefits the game itself…a game which we all love or we wouldnt be here ! The numbers of new players, or players coming back to the game has increased dramatically, and dont even try to tell me this is wrong, because for every one you can try to denyt..i can give you 5 that will back me up, its a plain sinple fact, to deny it will prove your ignorance. As far as his attitude goes….ok, tell me youve never tossed a club…or never used an expletive here or there when you duffed one, i mean come on…whats the big deal with a golfer showing emotion ?? I for one find it refreshing that these guys are human after all. So many of them walk around like they cant be people..they have to be perfect politically correct statues, why ?? This is a sport after al..many times hotly contested, and with that comes a certain amount of intensity and emotion…i find it refreshing to see that he isnt afraid to be himself. And of course..we all have the right to make judgements on whether or not we like him for ourselves. The thing that angers me though, is too see someone m,ake generalized statements about naother because that person either likes or dislikes Woods….such as the Tiger basher profile, or the remarks concerning his father, or Venus williams father even…yeah, that belongs here in the golf forum !! I just think the whole thing has become in very bad taste…and is starting to run people away from this forum…each day, over half of the posting are the same bull….and the amount of useful and pertinent information has gotten less and less…obviously im not the only one who feels as i do..perhaps im the only one to voice it, i dont know..but if more of you out there who agree with me would say so and join me in asking them to stop..perhaps we can get it out of here, and get this back to being a useful forum, instead of a soap box for ignorant people to force feed thier views down out throats every day !! Thank You R J C WELL SAID! This is a GOLF newsgroup. Lets keep it that way. Milo
I’ll second that. Larry
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, first i will apologize in advance if any of my statements offend anyone…this is not my intention, However, i wish to take issue with all of the nonsense that has become so prevalent here on a daily basis regarding Tiger Woods, Earl Wodds, or now we even have people blasting Venus Williams and her father here in the golf forum !! I think there are far to many racist statements being made….and before anyone starts..im a white upper middle class average guy from Los Angeles..so dont go making assumptions of my character. Bottom line…whether you like him or not, he has generated renewed interest in the game…and that only benefits the game itself…a game which we all love or we wouldnt be here ! The numbers of new players, or players coming back to the game has increased dramatically, and dont even try to tell me this is wrong, because for every one you can try to denyt..i can give you 5 that will back me up, its a plain sinple fact, to deny it will prove your ignorance. Actually Sir, you just showed your ignorance and willingness to buy into anything Nike and some of the media tell you. I just read online that according to the National Golf Association there hasn’t been any more or less golfers in the past 5 years – Tiger or no Tiger. Thank You R J C Scott
Scott, if that’s so, then who’s getting all the tee times that used to be pretty easy to obtain, and who’s investing in the new courses? Serious question.
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Kill files work great for reducing the amount of extraneous noise and nonsense that you don’t wish to wade through. But the pendulum swings both ways, and just because actual golf topics are a little out-numbered right now… golf will continue to be discussed here. After a while, even the most outspoken reactionaries will grow tired and eventually give it a rest. …a thing of beauty is a joy forever. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7903 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Trouble is if you killfile Laville, Pitts, Wall etc., there’s very little left. Or are they just putting the rest of us off posting about GOLF (remember golf? Bag o’ sticks ‘n’ a ball)? Cheers, Dave from the UK http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/monroes/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I wouldn’t call them ignorant; you might just start another flame war 
but I agree in essence with what you say. I’ve always tried to stay out of this stuff but, let’s face it, RSG is going down the tubes. All the old regulars are disappearing fast. If Messrs Laville and Pitts and all their antagonists keep it up the group will serve no useful purpose to real golf enthusiasts and they’ll be alone with the trollers and webtvers. I really think that as golfers and long term rsg contributors (who therefore should know better), Messrs Pitts and Laville should show the rest of the golfers in the group some respect and refrain getting involved in political point scoring and personal attacks on this forum – take it to email if you really need to. I am sure I don’t speak for myself when I say that I have no interest in what you think about Ronald Reagan or reformed alcoholics or anything else that doesn’t belong on a golf forum. Don’t you see the damage you are doing and have already done to what was once a great *golf* newsgroup? When I first started reading this group in early 1995 there were always informative/controversial/humorous threads to get involved in. Usually, someone like Dan King or Dave Tutelman would be at the heart of the discussion. Boy, how I miss their classy contributions. I think just the presence of someone with Dan’s class and vast knowledge of the game helped to keep the rest of us on the right road. What kind of example do you think you set to newcomers to rsg, Mr. Laville or Mr. Pitts with some of your recent contributions? Thankfully there are still a few decent guys and gals around (and when they stick to golf, Ken and David can be very enlightening too). Nevertheless, their wisdom is being drowned out by the noise from all the left v right flaming going on here and it always seems as if our dynamic duo are in the midst of it all. Please, for the sake of the group’s future, give it a break. And not one time did you mention Coleman Howard and his racist crap. No Sir, it’s the evil conservatives live Ken Pitts and David Laville that’s behind all this and their the ones destroying the group. Maybe YOU should be the one to put this left vs, right thing aside.
David, Steve makes an excellent point and again you flame an intelligent comment. LAY OFF THE POLITICAL CRAP AND LET"S TALK GOLF I don’t care if it’s Colemans fault , Adams , or whose , CUT IT OUT!!!!!!! Larry
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OK, first i will apologize in advance if any of my statements offend anyone…this is not my intention, However, i wish to take issue with all of the nonsense that has become so prevalent here on a daily basis regarding Tiger Woods, Earl Wodds, or now we even have people blasting Venus Williams and her father here in the golf forum !! I think there are far to many racist statements being made….and before anyone starts..im a white upper middle class average guy from Los Angeles..so dont go making assumptions of my character. Bottom line…whether you like him or not, he has generated renewed interest in the game…and that only benefits the game itself…a game which we all love or we wouldnt be here ! The numbers of new players, or players coming back to the game has increased dramatically, and dont even try to tell me this is wrong, because for every one you can try to denyt..i can give you 5 that will back me up, its a plain sinple fact, to deny it will prove your ignorance.
Actually Sir, you just showed your ignorance and willingness to buy into anything Nike and some of the media tell you. I just read online that according to the National Golf Association there hasn’t been any more or less golfers in the past 5 years – Tiger or no Tiger. Thank You R J C
Scott
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, first i will apologize in advance if any of my statements offend anyone…this is not my intention, However, i wish to take issue with all of the nonsense that has become so prevalent here on a daily basis regarding Tiger Woods, Earl Wodds, or now we even have people blasting Venus Williams and her father here in the golf forum !! I think there are far to many racist statements being made….and before anyone starts..im a white upper middle class average guy from Los Angeles..so dont go making assumptions of my character. Bottom line…whether you like him or not, he has generated renewed interest in the game…and that only benefits the game itself…a game which we all love or we wouldnt be here ! The numbers of new players, or players coming back to the game has increased dramatically, and dont even try to tell me this is wrong, because for every one you can try to denyt..i can give you 5 that will back me up, its a plain sinple fact, to deny it will prove your ignorance. As far as his attitude goes….ok, tell me youve never tossed a club…or never used an expletive here or there when you duffed one, i mean come on…whats the big deal with a golfer showing emotion ?? I for one find it refreshing that these guys are human after all. So many of them walk around like they cant be people..they have to be perfect politically correct statues, why ?? This is a sport after al..many times hotly contested, and with that comes a certain amount of intensity and emotion…i find it refreshing to see that he isnt afraid to be himself. And of course..we all have the right to make judgements on whether or not we like him for ourselves. The thing that angers me though, is too see someone m,ake generalized statements about naother because that person either likes or dislikes Woods….such as the Tiger basher profile, or the remarks concerning his father, or Venus williams father even…yeah, that belongs here in the golf forum !! I just think the whole thing has become in very bad taste…and is starting to run people away from this forum…each day, over half of the posting are the same bull….and the amount of useful and pertinent information has gotten less and less…obviously im not the only one who feels as i do..perhaps im the only one to voice it, i dont know..but if more of you out there who agree with me would say so and join me in asking them to stop..perhaps we can get it out of here, and get this back to being a useful forum, instead of a soap box for ignorant people to force feed thier views down out throats every day !! Thank You R J C
Dear R J You sound like a well meaning person. But , please buy a f**king apostrophe. It looks likes this ‘. :-) I like the idea of having the opportunity to express your opinions. I enjoy the humor of Mr. Smokehouse and the comedy of Mr. Coleman E. Howard. It may be a little tough sorting through the high weeds but every now and then you find a couple you really like and it makes you come back for more. If it was too easy I probably wouldn’t like it. ( Go back a few words to see an apostrophe ) Oh Mercy! It raining here in Dallas. I can’t ( look, another of them ) play golf. Nurse put on Led Zepplin and give me my medicine. Live Free or Die Kurt J Klein
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The problem is is that Laville an the "Pitts" always have to have the last word and use this forum to create controversy. Laville has to take his petty aguments and run to a lawyer because he got his ego hurt. David have you ever thought about running Congress? You could hire B-1 Bob for your campaign manager. You’ll fit right in with those rich loserswho can’t figure out what to do but argue and screw everything up and not take the responsibilty for their actions. But I digress. This is not a post about golf but it is in a string about taking the crap elsewhere, so I decided to post. Half of the 165 messages I downloaded tonight had to do with nothing but a large pissing contest. To whoever keeps perpetuating these assinine (sp?) arguements, go somewhere else.
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Trouble is if you killfile Laville, Pitts, Wall etc., there’s very little left. Or are they just putting the rest of us off posting about GOLF (remember golf? Bag o’ sticks ‘n’ a ball)? Cheers, Dave from the UK http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/monroes/
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It’s admirable that you guys want to clean up the group. A killfile is probably the best way to do so. I tried a personal plea to Pitts (via email) when he started the Venus Williams thread. He obviously ignored me. I then tried more public condemnation, and regretfully, that just made it worse. It’s not that hard to ignore the trolls, if everyone would ignore them. -Barry — Binary Data Services – http://www.looksee.com/bds Buy Sell Trade Golf Clubs – http://www.looksee.com/barry Internet to Alphanumeric Pager Services – http://www.AlphaBeeper.Com
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, first i will apologize in advance if any of my statements offend anyone…this is not my intention, However, i wish to take issue with all of the nonsense that has become so prevalent here on a daily basis regarding Tiger Woods, Earl Wodds, or now we even have people blasting Venus Williams and her father here in the golf forum !! I think there are far to many racist statements being made….and before anyone starts..im a white upper middle class average guy from Los Angeles..so dont go making assumptions of my character. Bottom line…whether you like him or not, he has generated renewed interest in the game…and that only benefits the game itself…a game which we all love or we wouldnt be here ! The numbers of new players, or players coming back to the game has increased dramatically, and dont even try to tell me this is wrong, because for every one you can try to denyt..i can give you 5 that will back me up, its a plain sinple fact, to deny it will prove your ignorance. As far as his attitude goes….ok, tell me youve never tossed a club…or never used an expletive here or there when you duffed one, i mean come on…whats the big deal with a golfer showing emotion ?? I for one find it refreshing that these guys are human after all. So many of them walk around like they cant be people..they have to be perfect politically correct statues, why ?? This is a sport after al..many times hotly contested, and with that comes a certain amount of intensity and emotion…i find it refreshing to see that he isnt afraid to be himself. And of course..we all have the right to make judgements on whether or not we like him for ourselves. The thing that angers me though, is too see someone m,ake generalized statements about naother because that person either likes or dislikes Woods….such as the Tiger basher profile, or the remarks concerning his father, or Venus williams father even…yeah, that belongs here in the golf forum !! I just think the whole thing has become in very bad taste…and is starting to run people away from this forum…each day, over half of the posting are the same bull….and the amount of useful and pertinent information has gotten less and less…obviously im not the only one who feels as i do..perhaps im the only one to voice it, i dont know..but if more of you out there who agree with me would say so and join me in asking them to stop..perhaps we can get it out of here, and get this back to being a useful forum, instead of a soap box for ignorant people to force feed thier views down out throats every day !! Thank You R J C
WELL SAID! This is a GOLF newsgroup. Lets keep it that way. Milo
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OK, first i will apologize in advance if any of my statements offend anyone…
Buy a spell-checker. It gave me a headache to read your rambling.
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: I just think the whole thing has become in very bad taste…and is : starting to run people away from this forum…each day, over half of the : posting are the same bull….and the amount of useful and pertinent : information has gotten less and less…obviously im not the only one who : feels as i do..perhaps im the only one to voice it, i dont know..but if more : of you out there who agree with me would say so and join me in asking them : to stop..perhaps we can get it out of here, and get this back to being a : useful forum, instead of a soap box for ignorant people to force feed thier : views down out throats every day !! Well I wouldn’t call them ignorant; you might just start another flame war but I agree in essence with what you say. I’ve always tried to stay out of this stuff but, let’s face it, RSG is going down the tubes. All the old regulars are disappearing fast. If Messrs Laville and Pitts and all their antagonists keep it up the group will serve no useful purpose to real golf enthusiasts and they’ll be alone with the trollers and webtvers. I really think that as golfers and long term rsg contributors (who therefore should know better), Messrs Pitts and Laville should show the rest of the golfers in the group some respect and refrain getting involved in political point scoring and personal attacks on this forum – take it to email if you really need to. I am sure I don’t speak for myself when I say that I have no interest in what you think about Ronald Reagan or reformed alcoholics or anything else that doesn’t belong on a golf forum. Don’t you see the damage you are doing and have already done to what was once a great *golf* newsgroup? When I first started reading this group in early 1995 there were always informative/controversial/humorous threads to get involved in. Usually, someone like Dan King or Dave Tutelman would be at the heart of the discussion. Boy, how I miss their classy contributions. I think just the presence of someone with Dan’s class and vast knowledge of the game helped to keep the rest of us on the right road. What kind of example do you think you set to newcomers to rsg, Mr. Laville or Mr. Pitts with some of your recent contributions? Thankfully there are still a few decent guys and gals around (and when they stick to golf, Ken and David can be very enlightening too). Nevertheless, their wisdom is being drowned out by the noise from all the left v right flaming going on here and it always seems as if our dynamic duo are in the midst of it all. Please, for the sake of the group’s future, give it a break. —
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:I just think the whole thing has become in very bad taste…and is :starting to run people away from this forum… :….
I really think that as golfers and long term rsg contributors (who therefore should know better), Messrs Pitts and Laville should show the rest of the golfers in the group some respect and refrain getting involved in political point scoring and personal attacks on this forum – take it to email if you really need to.
Here! Hear! Take these squabbles to email. They’re really getting old.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well I wouldn’t call them ignorant; you might just start another flame war but I agree in essence with what you say. I’ve always tried to stay out of this stuff but, let’s face it, RSG is going down the tubes. All the old regulars are disappearing fast. If Messrs Laville and Pitts and all their antagonists keep it up the group will serve no useful purpose to real golf enthusiasts and they’ll be alone with the trollers and webtvers. I really think that as golfers and long term rsg contributors (who therefore should know better), Messrs Pitts and Laville should show the rest of the golfers in the group some respect and refrain getting involved in political point scoring and personal attacks on this forum – take it to email if you really need to. I am sure I don’t speak for myself when I say that I have no interest in what you think about Ronald Reagan or reformed alcoholics or anything else that doesn’t belong on a golf forum. Don’t you see the damage you are doing and have already done to what was once a great *golf* newsgroup? When I first started reading this group in early 1995 there were always informative/controversial/humorous threads to get involved in. Usually, someone like Dan King or Dave Tutelman would be at the heart of the discussion. Boy, how I miss their classy contributions. I think just the presence of someone with Dan’s class and vast knowledge of the game helped to keep the rest of us on the right road. What kind of example do you think you set to newcomers to rsg, Mr. Laville or Mr. Pitts with some of your recent contributions? Thankfully there are still a few decent guys and gals around (and when they stick to golf, Ken and David can be very enlightening too). Nevertheless, their wisdom is being drowned out by the noise from all the left v right flaming going on here and it always seems as if our dynamic duo are in the midst of it all. Please, for the sake of the group’s future, give it a break.
And not one time did you mention Coleman Howard and his racist crap. No Sir, it’s the evil conservatives live Ken Pitts and David Laville that’s behind all this and their the ones destroying the group. Maybe YOU should be the one to put this left vs, right thing aside.
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OK, first i will apologize in advance if any of my statements offend anyone…this is not my intention, However, i wish to take issue with all of the nonsense that has become so prevalent here on a daily basis regarding Tiger Woods, Earl Wodds, or now we even have people blasting Venus Williams and her father here in the golf forum !! I think there are far to many racist statements being made….and before anyone starts..im a white upper middle class average guy from Los Angeles..so dont go making assumptions of my character. Bottom line…whether you like him or not, he has generated renewed interest in the game…and that only benefits the game itself…a game which we all love or we wouldnt be here ! The numbers of new players, or players coming back to the game has increased dramatically, and dont even try to tell me this is wrong, because for every one you can try to denyt..i can give you 5 that will back me up, its a plain sinple fact, to deny it will prove your ignorance. As far as his attitude goes….ok, tell me youve never tossed a club…or never used an expletive here or there when you duffed one, i mean come on…whats the big deal with a golfer showing emotion ?? I for one find it refreshing that these guys are human after all. So many of them walk around like they cant be people..they have to be perfect politically correct statues, why ?? This is a sport after al..many times hotly contested, and with that comes a certain amount of intensity and emotion…i find it refreshing to see that he isnt afraid to be himself. And of course..we all have the right to make judgements on whether or not we like him for ourselves. The thing that angers me though, is too see someone m,ake generalized statements about naother because that person either likes or dislikes Woods….such as the Tiger basher profile, or the remarks concerning his father, or Venus williams father even…yeah, that belongs here in the golf forum !! I just think the whole thing has become in very bad taste…and is starting to run people away from this forum…each day, over half of the posting are the same bull….and the amount of useful and pertinent information has gotten less and less…obviously im not the only one who feels as i do..perhaps im the only one to voice it, i dont know..but if more of you out there who agree with me would say so and join me in asking them to stop..perhaps we can get it out of here, and get this back to being a useful forum, instead of a soap box for ignorant people to force feed thier views down out throats every day !! Thank You R J C