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Ego is the Devil…:-) Food? (Addendum)

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Eat a piece of rock candy, or some dried fruit, on holes 4, 9, and 14, and the average person will never suffer any energy depletion during a round of golf…Those little boxs of Rasins are perfect! Back in the bad old days on the farm or bridgbuilding gangs Breakfasts were at 6 or 7 am porridge bacon/ham eggs toast/ butter jams – all you could eat Dinner, not –  lunch  was at 12:00 soup meat potatoes gravy bread butter dessert usually pies or puddings all you could eat. Supper was at 6 pm ditto dinner. None of these wimpy suckie little snackie wussy crapola stuff. Eat real food and you won’t have a coniption fit after a few hours prancing about.

Well…Yeah…My grandparents were a bunch of farmers… Lived it, and ate, just like you say…Not to many of them left around now…they all keeled over and died in their 50s thanks to those "Good Old Boy" habits… ]]]Z[[[

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The only problem with sugar, and other foods that are high in sugars, is that I damn near fall asleep later; how much so depends upon the type and amount of sugars, I guess.

Yeah...especially if you EAT and get the stomach working... My prefered food for the golf course is a tuna sandwich, but on warm days it doesn't stay cool enough for me to trust the mayo. Oregon law rerstricts alcohol consumed on the course to that which is purchased there ... a lot of courses use that little hook to disallow coolers (of any type) thereby making my taking my sandwich in a cooler problematic, at best.

Yeah they try and do that here too...fortunately the Starters and Rangers tend to ignore the whining from the grill managers about it...I have one that resembles a golfbag and has pockets for tees and balls that I take around in the summer. I will try several different foods next time to see which is easiest to deal with and helps the most.

Do you like peanut butter...Great stuff, low digestive requirement, and it'll keep for days...(g) ]]]Z[[[

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<snip Do you like peanut butter...Great stuff, low digestive requirement, and it'll keep for days...(g) ]]]Z[[[

Peanut Butter & Jelly sandwiches (aka Gie-Burgers) are great for people with low blood sugar. The sugar in teh jelly gets the blood sugar levels up. By the time the sugar is beginning to dip again, teh protein from the peanut butter kicks in. I can go a long ways on just a P&J sandwich. BTW, this has been a really good thread for RSG. Lots of useful information and experiences shared. Much better than some of the whine threads that occur on occasion. Stuart Winsor

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"Zamuel"  wrote Do you like peanut butter...Great stuff, low digestive requirement, and it'll keep for days...(g) Peanut Butter & Jelly sandwiches (aka Gie-Burgers) are great for people with low blood sugar. The sugar in teh jelly gets the blood sugar levels up. By the time the sugar is beginning to dip again, teh protein from the peanut butter kicks in. I can go a long ways on just a P&J sandwich.

Sure...I prefer Honey over Jelly, but it's pretty much the same thing. BTW, this has been a really good thread for RSG. Lots of useful information and experiences shared. Much better than some of the whine threads that occur on occasion.

! yes some of the other threads are in poor taste... ]]]Z[[[

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While talking with a non-golfing friend who is very up on nutrition etc., she mentioned that some of the reason for the blow-up on the latter holes could be due, at least in part, to poor levels of the sources of energy after several hours without food.

<snip Hypoglycemia (chronic low blood sugar) is a real problem for lots of athletes and recreational sportsmen/women. I am hypoglycemic and have to watch my diet very carefully - especially when golfing. My blood sugar level drops after about three hours unless I eat certain types of foods. Al Geiberger is also hypoglycemic (I wonder if Brent Geiberger is hypoglycemic?). Hypoglycemia affects people of all body types - thin, fat, muscular, lean, etc. It is dependent upon metabolism and blood type (not A, B, O, etc., but the other blood typing factors - I'm not a doctor, so I don't have any knowledge of these other factors except that they exist) - not body type. The trick is to maintain a constant blood sugar level over the length of time it takes to play a round of golf. A good dietician should be able to provide you with a list of foods that work with your metabolism and blood sugar to level out the peaks and valleys. Snacking regularly on the right types of foods is usually a good idea. However, stay away from foods with high sugar content - the sugar "high" is only momentary and the body will start producing insulin to bring the blood sugar level down. The resulting blood sugar levels after the sugar is burned off will be much lower than before the sugar was ingested. For me, protein is the key. Also, fat seems to help regulate blood sugar levels - several published studies by noted authotities have shown this to be very common among athletes (so it follows that this would also hold true for the rest of us as well). An omlette for breakfast will sustain my blood sugar level almost all day. Pancakes, cereal, or plain eggs has me shaking and GROUCHY from low blood sugar within 3-4 hours. Having owned a pro bike shop, I tried all the energy bars available and found Genisoy (sp?) to be the best at providing long-lasting energy. Hope this helps some.... Stuart Winsor

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I can tolerate fruits, but I don't like them much.  My prefered food for the golf course is a tuna sandwich, but on warm days it doesn't stay cool enough for me to trust the mayo. Oregon law rerstricts alcohol consumed on the course to that which is purchased there ... a lot of courses use that little hook to disallow coolers (of any type) thereby making my taking my sandwich in a cooler problematic, at best.

If you really want to keep something cold on the course but can't use a cooler, try this:  Get one of those blue "ice blocks" you can buy and freeze to use in your cooler (you probably have one already).  Freeze it up, and put it in a pocket of your golf bag along with whatever you want to keep cool.  If you keep the pocket closed, you'll get very little condensation on the pack, w/o the air to circulate around it.  It won't keep it cold the entire round, but you can keep something in pretty good shape for a couple of hours that way. Mike -- Mike Dalecki I do not patronize spammers!  Help keep R.S.G clean. You can expect the same etiquette from me here on R.S.G as you'd expect from me on the golf course. RSG Roll Call:  http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/daleckim.htm

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yes, and don't forget that peanut butter is a great bait for mice... {isn't this R.S.Golf?} - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - <snip Do you like peanut butter...Great stuff, low digestive requirement, and it'll keep for days...(g) Peanut Butter & Jelly sandwiches (aka Gie-Burgers) are great for people with low blood sugar. The sugar in teh jelly gets the blood sugar levels up. By the time the sugar is beginning to dip again, teh protein from the peanut butter kicks in. I can go a long ways on just a P&J sandwich. BTW, this has been a really good thread for RSG. Lots of useful information and experiences shared. Much better than some of the whine threads that occur on occasion.

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But I think you'll note they prefer high energy, low digestion requirement, foods...while on the course. When your digestion system kicks in full blast it robs you of 30-70% of your available energy. Zamuel, you cannot just leave it at that.  :) You must, of course, provide us a list of such foods as are "high energy, low digestion."

Sugar...(g) Basically anything that "melts in your mouth"...if it's broken down by saliva the digestive system doesn't have to do much. Hard candy, chocolate, fruit (fresh or dried), soft grains...avoid meat, nuts, cheese, lettuce, etc... I know one tiny gal who brings a couple of cans of body builder "power" drink stuff along...But we make her give us strokes if she drinks it just before teeing off...(g!) ]]]Z[[[

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However, stay away from foods with high sugar content - the sugar "high" is only momentary and the body will start producing insulin to bring the blood sugar level down. The resulting blood sugar levels after the sugar is burned off will be much lower than before the sugar was ingested.

Yes and no...There's neen a lot of anti sugar hype circulated since "health food" became a fad...Your information is correct but fails to fully access the situation...Insulin production (in a healthy person) is intended to return blood sugar to a *STABLE* level...and it will take around an Hr before that level begins to drop, (YMMV)...Eat a piece of rock candy, or some dried fruit, on holes 4, 9, and 14, and the average person will never suffer any energy depletion during a round of golf...Those little boxs of Rasins are perfect! ]]]Z[[[

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I don't know the science behind it, but here's what happens to me. If I eat nothing during a round, I get weak somewhere around the middle of the back nine. I get sort of a shaky feeling - not exactly conducive to decent golf shots. If I eat something at the turn with a high sugar content (like a candy bar), almost the same thing happens - only I crash all of a sudden, instead of gradually over the course of a couple of holes. If I eat something non-sweet (like a package of cheese-and-crackers) I'm just fine for the remainder of the round. Although the weak feeling doesn't ALWAYS occur, I can't predict when it will happen - so I eat the crackers as a preventative measure. If I wait till I just start to get that weak feeling, it's too late to do anything about it then - the round will be over before I can recover. -- http://home.midsouth.rr.com/joecartpath

- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - However, stay away from foods with high sugar content - the sugar "high" is only momentary and the body will start producing insulin to bring the blood sugar level down. The resulting blood sugar levels after the sugar is burned off will be much lower than before the sugar was ingested. Yes and no...There's neen a lot of anti sugar hype circulated since "health food" became a fad...Your information is correct but fails to fully access the situation...Insulin production (in a healthy person) is intended to return blood sugar to a *STABLE* level...and it will take around an Hr before that level begins to drop, (YMMV)...Eat a piece of rock candy, or some dried fruit, on holes 4, 9, and 14, and the average person will never suffer any energy depletion during a round of golf...Those little boxs of Rasins are perfect! ]]]Z[[[

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If you really want to keep something cold on the course but can't use a cooler, try this:  Get one of those blue "ice blocks" you can buy and freeze to use in your cooler (you probably have one already).  Freeze it up, and put it in a pocket of your golf bag along with whatever you want to keep cool.

I have an insulated drink bag attached to my bag.  It was a golf accessory my wife found somewhere.  It's a bag that's big enough to hold a large size sport drink bottle or I can also squeeze in two of the smaller size (20 oz) bottles.  The top doesn't close, but if I put one of those blue-ice bags in there it can keep anything cold for a round (I think it even came with one of those things).  I keep an old Gatorade bottle in there all the time with water in it.  I use the water both to drink on the course and cleaning clubs/balls. Something like that would work fine for a sandwich and if you get one that matches your bag (black in my case) it doesn't even look like a cooler. -- Curt Welch                                            http://CurtWelch.Com/

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: I don't buy it.  Eat something decent before you go to the course and drink : plenty of fluids while you're playing.  Taht should be enough to tide you : over for four hours.  If you do need anything to eat, those bars you're : chewing on should be plenty. : Go watch a professional tournament.  Those guys don't have to stop and eat : to keep their focus. They don't "stop" and eat, but they eat plenty.  Bars, bananas, apples, etc, all through the round.  I've seen Tiger eating a bar on his way to the first tee.  Eating constantly is the best way to keep your energy level constant throughout the round. Richard Stern http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/sternr.htm

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - While talking with a non-golfing friend who is very up on nutrition etc., she mentioned that some of the reason for the blow-up on the latter holes could be due, at least in part, to poor levels of the sources of energy after several hours without food. She questioned me about what I'd eaten (a fast food sandwich on  the way to the course) and whether I'd eaten during the round - I ate a Balance bar on the 10th hole and a Clif bar on 13 or 14. Her theory was that I did not have sufficient nutritional stores to promote concentration, stamina, focus, etc.  That as my body got tired it helped my ego to take over from logical, well-planned schedule I had devised for the course. While it made sense, I wonder if others have similar experiences with food intake.  Do you replenish yourself on the course? If so, with what?

It's an interesting argument... Personally I'm a Non-Eater...I have plenty of energy reserves for my body to draw on if needed...And I suspect that eating anything substantial (yes even a hot dog) is a mixed blessing, your body then has to devote energy and resources to digestion. IMHO...play lean and mean...eat and sleep later...suck on hard candy if you are a 90 lb weakling! (g) ]]]Z[[[

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They don't "stop" and eat, but they eat plenty.  Bars, bananas, apples, etc, all through the round.  I've seen Tiger eating a bar on his way to the first tee.  Eating constantly is the best way to keep your energy level constant throughout the round.

Tiger's a real "Low body fat %" kind of guy...as are many real atheletes...For that kind of person...you're right...Their blood sugar levels will start to drop after an Hr or so of sustained moderate exertion. But I think you'll note they prefer high energy, low digestion requirement, foods...while on the course. When your digestion system kicks in full blast it robs you of 30-70% of your available energy. ]]]Z[[[

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - They don't "stop" and eat, but they eat plenty.  Bars, bananas, apples, etc, all through the round.  I've seen Tiger eating a bar on his way to the first tee.  Eating constantly is the best way to keep your energy level constant throughout the round. Tiger's a real "Low body fat %" kind of guy...as are many real atheletes...For that kind of person...you're right...Their blood sugar levels will start to drop after an Hr or so of sustained moderate exertion. But I think you'll note they prefer high energy, low digestion requirement, foods...while on the course. When your digestion system kicks in full blast it robs you of 30-70% of your available energy. ]]]Z[[[

Zamuel, you cannot just leave it at that.  :) You must, of course, provide us a list of such foods as are "high energy, low digestion." It is my usual habit to buy a Snickers bar at the turn as my attempt to provide some additional energy for nine number two.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t seem to work.  Any suggestions? Mike — Mike Dalecki I do not patronize spammers!  Help keep R.S.G clean. You can expect the same etiquette from me here on R.S.G as you’d expect from me on the golf course. RSG Roll Call:  http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/daleckim.htm

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Rick, I don’t buy it.  Eat something decent before you go to the course and drink plenty of fluids while you’re playing.  Taht should be enough to tide you over for four hours.  If you do need anything to eat, those bars you’re chewing on should be plenty. When I play, I don’t drink beer (until the round is over) or eat.  I drink one Gatorade on the front and one on the back. Your friend means well, but what happened to you on the course was just a mental fart.  You  did the same thing I and everybody else on the newsgroup have done a thousand times.  You had a couple of good holes and got greedy.  I bet that if you had gone par birdie on the first two hole of the front nine, you would have gotten greedy nine holes sooner than you did.  I’ve been there and I’ve done that. Go watch a professional tournament.  Those guys don’t have to stop and eat to keep their focus. Kenny says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -While talking with a non-golfing friend who is very up on nutrition etc., she mentioned that some of the reason for the blow-up on the latter holes could be due, at least in part, to poor levels of the sources of energy after several hours without food. She questioned me about what I’d eaten (a fast food sandwich on  the way to the course) and whether I’d eaten during the round – I ate a Balance bar on the 10th hole and a Clif bar on 13 or 14. Her theory was that I did not have sufficient nutritional stores to promote concentration, stamina, focus, etc.  That as my body got tired it helped my ego to take over from logical, well-planned schedule I had devised for the course. While it made sense, I wonder if others have similar experiences with food intake.  Do you replenish yourself on the course? If so, with what?   I used to stop at the turn and choke down a hot dog (because rarely are there better things from which to choose) and a sport drink or flavored tea.  I opted for the Balance bar and Clif bar as an alternative to the greasy hot dog.  Maybe I misjudged the amount of intake, or type of food, I needed to maintain the rigors of golf through 18 holes. Any ideas? Surely there must be a golfer with a nutrition background monitoring this group.  Your ideas just may prevent another poor showing if it was inded related, in part, to poor nutrition. Golfing In Oregon! Rick R

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