Question:
Yeah but just because you both probably suck at basketball doesn’t make it any less of a sport does it? I think somewhere you missed my point next time I will add a moral. here’s the one for the last one Moral: don’t pick on other people sports it is bad karma for your sport. Allie "Aesop" Moreland – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not that I care at all for the sport but during the 96 olympics they did a story on the US olympic Synchonized Swim team. Apparently some guy who is fastest swimmer of the English channel made fun of them…so they invited him to a work out. He didn’t make it through the whole workout. Oh good grief. Yeah, and when I was in Junior High, they made a spectacle every year by having the football team play the volleyball team in volleyball. Cripes, you could put the guy through a ballet workout, too and he wouldn’t make it, either. I could probably play baseball one hell of a lot better than the guy, but that hardly means I’m the better athlete.
Response:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | In the case of figure skating, you must take the long historical view to | understand the coverage. Used to be, there was nil coverage of figure | skating. No one was interested. Then along came two young ladies named | Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding and an assortment of boyfriends and | thugs, and a piece of metal pipe. What’s that you say? Scandal? The | nation pricks up its ears! All of a sudden Nancy Kerrigan is hosting | Saturday Night Live, Seinfeld is parodying the sad tale and figure | skating is on prime time once or twice a week. There are a lot of | synchronized swimmers out there wishing someone would bash their knee in | with a pipe. You want triathlon coverage? Somebody hold out your | knee… Figures skating has had tons of TV coverage long before NK and TH – maybe not on Seinfeld and the Tonight Show, but certainly on mainstream sports shows. Damned if I know why, because it certainly isn’t a sport, no more so than is synchronized swimming, ice dancing, or, for that matter, ballroom dancing and lap dancing. But I guess that’s another thread entirely! rich
Before the scandal, sure you saw it on ABC’s Wide World of Sports and other Sunday afternoon venues, but not one hour prime time specials weekly for just exhibitions. Now, a week doesn’t go by that one of the big broadcast networks doesn’t give at least an hour of prime time to figure skating, it’s almost as bad as major league basebal for pre-empting weekly shows. This is America – dirty laundry sells.
Response:
Not that I care at all for the sport but during the 96 olympics they did a story on the US olympic Synchonized Swim team. Apparently some guy who is fastest swimmer of the English channel made fun of them…so they invited him to a work out. He didn’t make it through the whole workout.
Oh good grief. Yeah, and when I was in Junior High, they made a spectacle every year by having the football team play the volleyball team in volleyball. Cripes, you could put the guy through a ballet workout, too and he wouldn’t make it, either. I could probably play baseball one hell of a lot better than the guy, but that hardly means I’m the better athlete.
Response:
OOPs…. Forgot to add that it still irks me that I have to watch idiots chopping logs and moving beer kegs on ESPN instead of the Tour. Just cause they call it is a sport of some kind doesn’t mean I have to like the fact ESPN covers it more than my beloved sport. Allie "Being a Cycling fan with ESPN sucks" Moreland – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not that I care at all for the sport but during the 96 olympics they did a story on the US olympic Synchonized Swim team. Apparently some guy who is fastest swimmer of the English channel made fun of them…so they invited him to a work out. He didn’t make it through the whole workout. I guess you may not consider it a sport but I think anything that involves competition and exercise is. Even if it involves Silver Lame bathing suits. Obviously some sports are easier for the general population but you realize lots of people think that all running is, is putting one foot in front of the other…when in fact it quite difficult (at least for me). Such is Life. Allie Moreland | | You forgot figure skating. | | The reasons these are on TV: | … | | In the case of figure skating, you must take the long historical view to | understand the coverage. Used to be, there was nil coverage of figure | skating. No one was interested. Then along came two young ladies named | Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding and an assortment of boyfriends and | thugs, and a piece of metal pipe. What’s that you say? Scandal? The | nation pricks up its ears! All of a sudden Nancy Kerrigan is hosting | Saturday Night Live, Seinfeld is parodying the sad tale and figure | skating is on prime time once or twice a week. There are a lot of | synchronized swimmers out there wishing someone would bash their knee in | with a pipe. You want triathlon coverage? Somebody hold out your | knee… Figures skating has had tons of TV coverage long before NK and TH – maybe not on Seinfeld and the Tonight Show, but certainly on mainstream sports shows. Damned if I know why, because it certainly isn’t a sport, no more so than is synchronized swimming, ice dancing, or, for that matter, ballroom dancing and lap dancing. But I guess that’s another thread entirely! rich
Response:
: It’s terrible that the US media doesn’t give credit where credit is due. After : Armstrong’s epic Stage 9 win, you would think that *maybe* a mention of his win : would hit page one of the sports page. Nothing. Not even a little heading and Stunningly enough, a full color pic AND a semi-decent article were on the front page of yesterday’s Washington Post. I almost choked on my coffee I was so surprised — much bigger picture than the All-Star game. Wow. Mike Kelly, still amused by the CNN guy who said that "American Bobby YOOL-itch crashed out of the Tour…"
Response:
Tuesday night on channel 8 in Dallas, the Sports News Reader was doing a blurb on the Tour and said "Tour De France or Tour de France" (using a differnt accent each time)"who cares, it’s just a bike race". I guess no one told him it’s the most strenous athletic event in the world.
This reminds me of a column penned by one of our illustrious local sports writers at the time that Greg Lemond was named Sporstman of the Year for 1989. This guy was utterly indignant that this honor was given to someone who pedals a bike. He wrote something to the effect that you could put him (the columnist) on a bike and he could ride it over a hill, big deal. Why didn’t they give the award to someone who exhibits real skill, like a quarterback? These people are just clueless. The pity is that they lack the intelligence to conceal their ignorance, and the open-mindedness to learn a little more about a sport before they open their big mouths (or columns) and belittle it. Somebody smack that smug TV sports twit upside the head! — Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon? Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html
Response:
And (I’ve heard) the one with the largest number of spectators who see it "live". It’s a shame that a news reader didn’t have the backup to tell him how to pronounce it, after all it’s not that difficult. Phil Tuesday night on channel 8 in Dallas, the Sports News Reader was doing a blurb on the Tour and said "Tour De France or Tour de France" (using a differnt accent each time)"who cares, it’s just a bike race". I guess no one told him it’s the most strenous athletic event in the world. **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here
(tm) ****
Response:
Amazing especially since Lance is from Texas. And here I thought that it was just a Canadian thing (e.g.. no reports when a Canuck wins a major event like IMH) to ignore home grown talent. I guess if it does not involve fat men hitting little balls into holes or crotch scratching , tobacco chewing pitchers then it just doesn’t matter. A recent lead item on a sports report here in Toronto was that a number of pro golfers decided to not play in the British Open because the course was too tough. Let them put their butt on a bike seat for 200 km and they will know what tough is. I’ll bet that if Armstrong could throw a football he would be proclaimed a "god" by the sports announcer you refer to. Stephen "not old enough to play golf" McShane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tuesday night on channel 8 in Dallas, the Sports News Reader was doing a blurb on the Tour and said "Tour De France or Tour de France" (using a differnt accent each time)"who cares, it’s just a bike race". I guess no one told him it’s the most strenous athletic event in the world. **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ****
Response:
Not that I care at all for the sport but during the 96 olympics they did a story on the US olympic Synchonized Swim team. Apparently some guy who is fastest swimmer of the English channel made fun of them…so they invited him to a work out. He didn’t make it through the whole workout. I guess you may not consider it a sport but I think anything that involves competition and exercise is. Even if it involves Silver Lame bathing suits. Obviously some sports are easier for the general population but you realize lots of people think that all running is, is putting one foot in front of the other…when in fact it quite difficult (at least for me). Such is Life. Allie Moreland – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | You forgot figure skating. | | The reasons these are on TV: | … | | In the case of figure skating, you must take the long historical view to | understand the coverage. Used to be, there was nil coverage of figure | skating. No one was interested. Then along came two young ladies named | Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding and an assortment of boyfriends and | thugs, and a piece of metal pipe. What’s that you say? Scandal? The | nation pricks up its ears! All of a sudden Nancy Kerrigan is hosting | Saturday Night Live, Seinfeld is parodying the sad tale and figure | skating is on prime time once or twice a week. There are a lot of | synchronized swimmers out there wishing someone would bash their knee in | with a pipe. You want triathlon coverage? Somebody hold out your | knee… Figures skating has had tons of TV coverage long before NK and TH – maybe not on Seinfeld and the Tonight Show, but certainly on mainstream sports shows. Damned if I know why, because it certainly isn’t a sport, no more so than is synchronized swimming, ice dancing, or, for that matter, ballroom dancing and lap dancing. But I guess that’s another thread entirely! rich
Response:
| | You forgot figure skating. | | The reasons these are on TV: | … | | In the case of figure skating, you must take the long historical view to | understand the coverage. Used to be, there was nil coverage of figure | skating. No one was interested. Then along came two young ladies named | Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding and an assortment of boyfriends and | thugs, and a piece of metal pipe. What’s that you say? Scandal? The | nation pricks up its ears! All of a sudden Nancy Kerrigan is hosting | Saturday Night Live, Seinfeld is parodying the sad tale and figure | skating is on prime time once or twice a week. There are a lot of | synchronized swimmers out there wishing someone would bash their knee in | with a pipe. You want triathlon coverage? Somebody hold out your | knee… Figures skating has had tons of TV coverage long before NK and TH – maybe not on Seinfeld and the Tonight Show, but certainly on mainstream sports shows. Damned if I know why, because it certainly isn’t a sport, no more so than is synchronized swimming, ice dancing, or, for that matter, ballroom dancing and lap dancing. But I guess that’s another thread entirely! rich
Response:
You forgot figure skating. The reasons these are on TV: 1) Ratings 2) the people who watch meet the demographics of the sport and the sponsors think they can sell them product. Apparently some sports do not get the ratings and demographics of other sports (no surprise there). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Endurance sports to not lend themselves to our need for instant gratification. That explains why Golf is on ABC and NBC year round and gets plenty of coverage on all the sports networks. There are really only a handful of sports which get much coverage: the three big team sports (baseball, football and basketball), and the country club sports (golf and tennis). Auto racing and hockey also get quite a bit of coverage. Swimming, track and field, and cycling never have gotten much coverage so there is no reason to expect a sport which combines those three events to get much coverage.
Response:
You forgot figure skating. The reasons these are on TV: 1) Ratings 2) the people who watch meet the demographics of the sport and the sponsors think they can sell them product.
In the case of figure skating, you must take the long historical view to understand the coverage. Used to be, there was nil coverage of figure skating. No one was interested. Then along came two young ladies named Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding and an assortment of boyfriends and thugs, and a piece of metal pipe. What’s that you say? Scandal? The nation pricks up its ears! All of a sudden Nancy Kerrigan is hosting Saturday Night Live, Seinfeld is parodying the sad tale and figure skating is on prime time once or twice a week. There are a lot of synchronized swimmers out there wishing someone would bash their knee in with a pipe. You want triathlon coverage? Somebody hold out your knee…
Response:
Endurance sports to not lend themselves to our need for instant gratification.
That explains why Golf is on ABC and NBC year round and gets plenty of coverage on all the sports networks. There are really only a handful of sports which get much coverage: the three big team sports (baseball, football and basketball), and the country club sports (golf and tennis). Auto racing and hockey also get quite a bit of coverage. Swimming, track and field, and cycling never have gotten much coverage so there is no reason to expect a sport which combines those three events to get much coverage.
Response:
This reminds me of a column penned by one of our illustrious local sports writers at the time that Greg Lemond was named Sporstman of the Year for 1989. This guy was utterly indignant that this honor was given to someone who pedals a bike. He wrote something to the effect that you could put him (the columnist) on a bike and he could ride it over a hill, big deal. Why didn’t they give the award to someone who exhibits real skill, like a quarterback?
To those people I often say something to the effect of "Yeah, you played a great game the other night." or "When was the last time you stood in the pocket waiting for a receiver to get open while several 300 pound men tried to decapitate you?" BTW, bring that guy to Colorado–I got some "hills" for him……. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -These people are just clueless. The pity is that they lack the intelligence to conceal their ignorance, and the open-mindedness to learn a little more about a sport before they open their big mouths (or columns) and belittle it. Somebody smack that smug TV sports twit upside the head! — Tri-Baby _ - o ‘ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon? Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html
Response:
It’s terrible that the US media doesn’t give credit where credit is due. After Armstrong’s epic Stage 9 win, you would think that *maybe* a mention of his win would hit page one of the sports page. Nothing. Not even a little heading and where to turn to read the article. Just a little blurb deep into the section. The women got a lot of publicity on winning the soccer tournament, I think Lance deserves just as much for his miraculous recovery from cancer.
Fascinating how different countries cover it. The UK press coverage has always been rather weak, just a few columns, most of which are taken up with a graph of the days route. This year there was plenty of lead up, mostly dealing with the drugs issue. The coverage has also been a lot better, but only I think because the Armstrong story has kept it there. The tabloids are still running the ‘cyclings full of druggies, and anyway its daft’ comment columns. Best bit I’ve read was William Fotheringham in the Guardian (editor of proCycling) writing Cippiolini off as past it when Steels and Kirsipu won the early stages. The sports news is now all about the Open golf tournament just up the road in Carnoustie. All the pro’s moaning about how windy it is – as if I don’t know, I have to cycle in that wind everyday! Meanwhile my TV has broken, and I can’t get the channel4 coverage, arghhh Tour withdrawl DTs……. Joel — Joel Sylvester Longest Day ‘98 12:10:33 Edinburgh Triathletes: www.edintri.u-net.com
Response:
Sorry Brian. If all you do is go up and down hills with a "child’s toy" then you’re not skilled enough to smack anyone upside the head. ;-) Iron Pete "also heard from another sports twit that a bike is a ‘child’s toy’" Priolo
As opposed to a football or basketball? Yeah, kids avoid those like the plague. Vanessa "sarcasm" Smith
Response:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think the reason for all this is that endurance sports are too far from most people’s reach, while golf or football (I’m not talking about the real thing, just in one’s backyard) or other such sports (did I say sport while talking about golf??) most people experience them and watching them on TV makes them dream that, hey, they could participate in the championship if they were just a "little bit" better. Another factor intervenes: with endurance sport, people know from the beginning what’s going to happen (except for adventure races), and watching the race could seem boring. (while it is not when you know about it. Example: during the Tour de France, I love watching the strategies of the top teams, how they strategically contend each other and suddenly battle for an escape or the win). – Francois
I have 2 points to make. One, the knowledge of what will happen is also there is auto racing and look how big that is. But another thing is that endurance sports are very tough for spectators. Since the sport doesn’t lend itself to a small area( or playing field) it is very difficult for someone to see much of what is going on. That means that in order for spectators to really watch what is going on they really need to be active viewers( move out onto the bike course, the run course, and to the transition areas) and the general public doesn’t really want to do that. You can’t really sit back with beer and chips and sit on the couch that way, plus no vendors…… Anyway that is my $.02 Steve Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Response:
Somebody smack that smug TV sports twit upside the head! Can I? Can I? Please??? Sorry Brian. If all you do is go up and down hills with a "child’s toy" then you’re not skilled enough to smack anyone upside the head. ;-) Iron Pete "also heard from another sports twit that a bike is a ‘child’s toy’" Priolo
But, but, I can splash an’ make bubbles, too, an’ I can get from one place to another on just my two little feet, an’ I can dress myself real quick, an’ I understand all those big words Mr. Denney uses. Brian "I’d like to show that sports twit some of the childhood ‘toys’ I still have in my basement, hehehee." Wagner
Response:
Somebody smack that smug TV sports twit upside the head!
Can I? Can I? Please???
Response:
Somebody smack that smug TV sports twit upside the head!
Can I? Can I? Please??? Sorry Brian. If all you do is go up and down hills with a "child’s toy" then you’re not skilled enough to smack anyone upside the head. ;-) Iron Pete "also heard from another sports twit that a bike is a ‘child’s toy’" Priolo
Response:
Amazing especially since Lance is from Texas. And here I thought that it was just a Canadian thing (e.g.. no reports when a Canuck wins a major event like IMH) to ignore home grown talent.
Nah, it’s universal. To be perfectly honest, in the states, most folks don’t know who Marc Allen or Paula Newby Fraser are. Endurance sports to not lend themselves to our need for instant gratification.
Response:
Nah, it’s universal. To be perfectly honest, in the states, most folks don’t know who Marc Allen or Paula Newby Fraser are. Endurance sports to not lend themselves to our need for instant gratification.
I think the reason for all this is that endurance sports are too far from most people’s reach, while golf or football (I’m not talking about the real thing, just in one’s backyard) or other such sports (did I say sport while talking about golf??) most people experience them and watching them on TV makes them dream that, hey, they could participate in the championship if they were just a "little bit" better. Another factor intervenes: with endurance sport, people know from the beginning what’s going to happen (except for adventure races), and watching the race could seem boring. (while it is not when you know about it. Example: during the Tour de France, I love watching the strategies of the top teams, how they strategically contend each other and suddenly battle for an escape or the win). – Francois Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Response:
I can’t believe there isn’t heaps of coverage about Armstrong in the U.S. At least here in Oz, Sutart O’Grady is getting a bit of coverage in the general media about his green jersy. Mind you, I heard some twit "Sports Reporter" on the teevee last night say he wasn’t concerned with the tour now because it was "tainted by drugs" .Ha!! this was after talking all about football and the Olympics! Maybe he doesn’t remember a certain 100m gold medalist a few years ago….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tuesday night on channel 8 in Dallas, the Sports News Reader was doing a blurb on the Tour and said "Tour De France or Tour de France" (using a differnt accent each time)"who cares, it’s just a bike race". I guess no one told him it’s the most strenous athletic event in the world. It’s terrible that the US media doesn’t give credit where credit is due. After Armstrong’s epic Stage 9 win, you would think that *maybe* a mention of his win would hit page one of the sports page. Nothing. Not even a little heading and where to turn to read the article. Just a little blurb deep into the section. The women got a lot of publicity on winning the soccer tournament, I think Lance deserves just as much for his miraculous recovery from cancer. Oh, well. If the country prefers instead to see overpaid millionaires swinging a stick in Boston instead of a truly great story unfolding in France, I guess there’s nothing to do. |26 | IMC’96: 10:36:37 | Fe | IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53 | | "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"
Response:
Tuesday night on channel 8 in Dallas, the Sports News Reader was doing a blurb on the Tour and said "Tour De France or Tour de France" (using a differnt accent each time)"who cares, it’s just a bike race". I guess no one told him it’s the most strenous athletic event in the world. **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ****
Response:
Tuesday night on channel 8 in Dallas, the Sports News Reader was doing a blurb on the Tour and said "Tour De France or Tour de France" (using a differnt accent each time)"who cares, it’s just a bike race". I guess no one told him it’s the most strenous athletic event in the world.
It’s terrible that the US media doesn’t give credit where credit is due. After Armstrong’s epic Stage 9 win, you would think that *maybe* a mention of his win would hit page one of the sports page. Nothing. Not even a little heading and where to turn to read the article. Just a little blurb deep into the section. The women got a lot of publicity on winning the soccer tournament, I think Lance deserves just as much for his miraculous recovery from cancer. Oh, well. If the country prefers instead to see overpaid millionaires swinging a stick in Boston instead of a truly great story unfolding in France, I guess there’s nothing to do. |26 | IMC’96: 10:36:37 | Fe | IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53 | | "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"