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Discrimination in golf alive and well in Texas May 23, 1997 Web posted at: 2:15 a.m. EDT HOUSTON (CNN/SI) — Before the 1990 PGA Championship was played at Shoal Creek Golf Club, Hall S. Thompson, founder of the exclusive Birmingham, Alabama, country club, was asked by a newspaper reporter why none of Shoal Creek’s members was black. "We don’t do that down here," he replied in a deep southern drawl. The ensuing firestorm of criticism and protests eventually forced the PGA Tour to adopt a policy stipulating that no PGA Tour event would be held at a golf club that discriminated against race, sex or religion. The controversy also forced Shoal Creek to admit a black member. Apparently, Lochinvar Country Club in Houston, Texas, does not plan on hosting any PGA Tour events. Lochinvar Country Club is a private, all-male club, and women are not at all welcome. That much was painfully evident Thursday morning when a CNN/SI television crew arrived at the club to film an interview with Butch Harmon, personal coach of PGA Tour star Tiger Woods. According to Ed Werder, a CNN/SI reporter who was to conduct the interview, a female member of his three-person crew was not allowed inside the clubhouse because, Werder and his campanions were told by a person at the front desk, "she’s not supposed to be here." "It’s not that you’re (sic) not allowing her to do her job," the male attendant said. "It’s that I can’t allow her to come in here. She’s not supposed to be here. We’re an all-men’s facility. "I’m not saying she can’t do her job, I’m just saying she needs to wait outside, probably in the car, until Mr. Harmon gets here and he can make that decision." Harmon, who works with Woods at Lochinvar whenever Woods is in the state, appeared on the TV crew’s video tape explaining the club’s policy concerning women. "We are an all-male facility," Harmon said. "I told you that on the telephone. Females are not allowed here. Instead of causing you some grief and causing CNN some grief, I just won’t do the deal. "That’s just what we are." According to Werder, Harmon called him about an hour later, apologized and invited the crew back to the club to conduct the interview. The three, including the woman producer, were admitted to the clubhouse through a back door. Afterward, Harmon said he had telephoned the club president and received "special permission" to allow the woman on the grounds.
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Why single out Texas ? There are men-only clubs all over the US. Lochinvar is a private club and since the members are probably equity holders, they can set their own membership policies. Period. I say more power to them and clubs like Cypress Point and Butler National who will not be bullied around by the ThoughtPolice when it comes to membership policies. OTOH, in spite of the fact that I think that CNN probably entered this deal with the proverbial chip-on-shoulder, I think Lochinvar could have handled this a lot less clumsily. Trying to exclude a woman media member is probably carrying the policy too far, considering that women media members are in locker rooms of all the major team sports. In other words, this is an issue 1 or 2 days a year if Lochinvar had just relented this time. Now every female Woodward/Bernstein wanna-be will be trying to cave in the gates to Lochinvar en-route to a perceived Pulitzer by-line. In the words of the late/great Lewis Grizzard, if a guy wants to "play gin naked" at his club, he shouldn’t have to worry whether Aunt Beatrice is going to show up unannounced trying to kibbutz the game. TheReal Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Discrimination in golf alive and well in Texas May 23, 1997 Web posted at: 2:15 a.m. EDT HOUSTON (CNN/SI) — Before the 1990 PGA Championship was played at Shoal Creek Golf Club, Hall S. Thompson, founder of the exclusive Birmingham, Alabama, country club, was asked by a newspaper reporter why none of Shoal Creek’s members was black. "We don’t do that down here," he replied in a deep southern drawl. The ensuing firestorm of criticism and protests eventually forced the PGA Tour to adopt a policy stipulating that no PGA Tour event would be held at a golf club that discriminated against race, sex or religion. The controversy also forced Shoal Creek to admit a black member. Apparently, Lochinvar Country Club in Houston, Texas, does not plan on hosting any PGA Tour events. Lochinvar Country Club is a private, all-male club, and women are not at all welcome. That much was painfully evident Thursday morning when a CNN/SI television crew arrived at the club to film an interview with Butch Harmon, personal coach of PGA Tour star Tiger Woods. According to Ed Werder, a CNN/SI reporter who was to conduct the interview, a female member of his three-person crew was not allowed inside the clubhouse because, Werder and his campanions were told by a person at the front desk, "she’s not supposed to be here." "It’s not that you’re (sic) not allowing her to do her job," the male attendant said. "It’s that I can’t allow her to come in here. She’s not supposed to be here. We’re an all-men’s facility. "I’m not saying she can’t do her job, I’m just saying she needs to wait outside, probably in the car, until Mr. Harmon gets here and he can make that decision." Harmon, who works with Woods at Lochinvar whenever Woods is in the state, appeared on the TV crew’s video tape explaining the club’s policy concerning women. "We are an all-male facility," Harmon said. "I told you that on the telephone. Females are not allowed here. Instead of causing you some grief and causing CNN some grief, I just won’t do the deal. "That’s just what we are." According to Werder, Harmon called him about an hour later, apologized and invited the crew back to the club to conduct the interview. The three, including the woman producer, were admitted to the clubhouse through a back door. Afterward, Harmon said he had telephoned the club president and received "special permission" to allow the woman on the grounds.
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Why single out Texas ? There are men-only clubs all over the US.
Burning Tree comes to mind. I would say this club was singled out because Butch Harmon was there that day, not because it was in Texas. One of the lesions I notice in my Texan friends of all ilks is that you all somehow always manage to single out Texas for us even when we didn’t. <large grin Lochinvar is a private club and since the members are probably equity holders, they can set their own membership policies. Period. I say more power to them and clubs like Cypress Point and Butler National who will not be bullied around by the ThoughtPolice when it comes to membership policies.
I don’t deny anyone’s right to freedom of association, but it still doesn’t stop me from having the opinion that individuals who need the security of a "No Girls Allowed" tree house when they’re adults are a tad out of touch with things. However, if they are dipping in the public trough in some way shape or form (like using the "special use" environmental laws or renting out the bldg. to the public and using their liquor license) then their membership policies are subject to restriction. In the words of the late/great Lewis Grizzard, if a guy wants to "play gin naked" at his club, he shouldn’t have to worry whether Aunt Beatrice is going to show up unannounced trying to kibbutz the game.
And somehow or another I can’t imagine any of those guys objecting if some female member wanted to swim in the buff at the club pool! P.S. I hear they play nekkid at Burning Tree. Mind those shanks and skulled shots, now… — "Never pick a fight with people who buy ink by the gallon." –Casey Stengel, when asked why he didn’t fight with the N.Y. sportswriters
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There is a private men’s golf club just down the road from me with the prevailing gossip saying they allow No Swimming No Tennis and No Women Memberships are now closed at 156 Memberships are single individuals with a very hefty up front fee… so if a spouse wanted to play, it would be a second hefty fee…. I understand a challenge came about the no women part and it was altered to allow women…. then memberships were capped… prior to the first women joining…. You have to get by the guard at the gate to see the place…. I think people with resouces ought to have any kind of club the wish. I couldn’t join the DAR or the Junior League…. So what’s the issue… I do think the deal in Texas was handled with a certain lack of manners and good sense.. Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va *the trout teach many, lessons*
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Yet it’s okay for Cosmopolitan Lady to have a health spa with all female members. Ever hear anyone complain about that? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Discrimination in golf alive and well in Texas May 23, 1997 Web posted at: 2:15 a.m. EDT HOUSTON (CNN/SI) — Before the 1990 PGA Championship was played at Shoal Creek Golf Club, Hall S. Thompson, founder of the exclusive Birmingham, Alabama, country club, was asked by a newspaper reporter why none of Shoal Creek’s members was black. "We don’t do that down here," he replied in a deep southern drawl. The ensuing firestorm of criticism and protests eventually forced the PGA Tour to adopt a policy stipulating that no PGA Tour event would be held at a golf club that discriminated against race, sex or religion. The controversy also forced Shoal Creek to admit a black member. Apparently, Lochinvar Country Club in Houston, Texas, does not plan on hosting any PGA Tour events. Lochinvar Country Club is a private, all-male club, and women are not at all welcome. That much was painfully evident Thursday morning when a CNN/SI television crew arrived at the club to film an interview with Butch Harmon, personal coach of PGA Tour star Tiger Woods. According to Ed Werder, a CNN/SI reporter who was to conduct the interview, a female member of his three-person crew was not allowed inside the clubhouse because, Werder and his campanions were told by a person at the front desk, "she’s not supposed to be here." "It’s not that you’re (sic) not allowing her to do her job," the male attendant said. "It’s that I can’t allow her to come in here. She’s not supposed to be here. We’re an all-men’s facility. "I’m not saying she can’t do her job, I’m just saying she needs to wait outside, probably in the car, until Mr. Harmon gets here and he can make that decision." Harmon, who works with Woods at Lochinvar whenever Woods is in the state, appeared on the TV crew’s video tape explaining the club’s policy concerning women. "We are an all-male facility," Harmon said. "I told you that on the telephone. Females are not allowed here. Instead of causing you some grief and causing CNN some grief, I just won’t do the deal. "That’s just what we are." According to Werder, Harmon called him about an hour later, apologized and invited the crew back to the club to conduct the interview. The three, including the woman producer, were admitted to the clubhouse through a back door. Afterward, Harmon said he had telephoned the club president and received "special permission" to allow the woman on the grounds.
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I believe that women invoke feminism only when it is to their advantage to do so. TheReal Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Yet it’s okay for Cosmopolitan Lady to have a health spa with all female members. Ever hear anyone complain about that? Discrimination in golf alive and well in Texas May 23, 1997 Web posted at: 2:15 a.m. EDT HOUSTON (CNN/SI) — Before the 1990 PGA Championship was played at Shoal Creek Golf Club, Hall S. Thompson, founder of the exclusive Birmingham, Alabama, country club, was asked by a newspaper reporter why none of Shoal Creek’s members was black. "We don’t do that down here," he replied in a deep southern drawl. The ensuing firestorm of criticism and protests eventually forced the PGA Tour to adopt a policy stipulating that no PGA Tour event would be held at a golf club that discriminated against race, sex or religion. The controversy also forced Shoal Creek to admit a black member. Apparently, Lochinvar Country Club in Houston, Texas, does not plan on hosting any PGA Tour events. Lochinvar Country Club is a private, all-male club, and women are not at all welcome. That much was painfully evident Thursday morning when a CNN/SI television crew arrived at the club to film an interview with Butch Harmon, personal coach of PGA Tour star Tiger Woods. According to Ed Werder, a CNN/SI reporter who was to conduct the interview, a female member of his three-person crew was not allowed inside the clubhouse because, Werder and his campanions were told by a person at the front desk, "she’s not supposed to be here." "It’s not that you’re (sic) not allowing her to do her job," the male attendant said. "It’s that I can’t allow her to come in here. She’s not supposed to be here. We’re an all-men’s facility. "I’m not saying she can’t do her job, I’m just saying she needs to wait outside, probably in the car, until Mr. Harmon gets here and he can make that decision." Harmon, who works with Woods at Lochinvar whenever Woods is in the state, appeared on the TV crew’s video tape explaining the club’s policy concerning women. "We are an all-male facility," Harmon said. "I told you that on the telephone. Females are not allowed here. Instead of causing you some grief and causing CNN some grief, I just won’t do the deal. "That’s just what we are." According to Werder, Harmon called him about an hour later, apologized and invited the crew back to the club to conduct the interview. The three, including the woman producer, were admitted to the clubhouse through a back door. Afterward, Harmon said he had telephoned the club president and received "special permission" to allow the woman on the grounds.
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I believe that women invoke feminism only when it is to their advantage to do so. TheReal Ken
Get real Ken!! —
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: I believe that women invoke feminism only when it is to their : advantage to do so. That’s what I like about you and David Laville…you go around saying stupid things, even though it’s to your disadvantage. ^_^ – Young
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OK. I’ll cite an example for you. (I have others.) Notice that NOW and other feminists have only now shown any inclination to be sympathetic to the case of Paula Jones. Women such as Patricia Ireland only issued supportive statements after the president’s attorney, Robert Bennett hinted that he would drag MrsJones sexual history thru the mud in any trial that might occur. There are laws in nearly all states that prohibit that line of inquiry on the complaintant in rape trials. This same NOW gang were absolutely ballistic over the unsubstantiated claims of Anita Hill in her purely political attempt to torpedo the SupremeCourt nomination of Clarence Thomas. They said such ridiculous things as, the nature of the evidence doesn’t matter only the seriousness of the charge. Well, in Mrs Jones we supposedly have a lowly state employee who happens to be fairly attractive being recruited for sex by state police and bribed for favors by her governor with promises of career advancement and threats of knowing her boss personally. After she supposedly refused to go down on Clinton, she eventually left her position because of the perceived threat. Except for the defining moment, MrsJones has people who will testify in support of her version. My question is, ***why are the feminists so obviously late to the party?*** If true, Mrs Jones’ complaint seems to portray a clear abuse of power by a governor who is now president. I thought that was the idea in all of this. Know why the feminists have just now shown any support ? Because the Clintons are political soul mates and the feminists are elitists who would do back flips in support of a minority college professor, but hardly care at all about some poor worker bee like Mrs Jones. I’m sure they feel like the hyper-abrasive elitist Clintonite, James Carville ("It’s amazing what you can come up with when you drag a 100 dollar bill through a trailer park.".) You can disagree with me, but I don’t make a statement like that without some basis in fact. Hardly stupid. Otherwise, best regards, Young. TheReal Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I believe that women invoke feminism only when it is to their : advantage to do so. That’s what I like about you and David Laville…you go around saying stupid things, even though it’s to your disadvantage. ^_^ – Young
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: I believe that women invoke feminism only when it is to their : advantage to do so. That’s what I like about you and David Laville…you go around saying stupid things, even though it’s to your disadvantage. ^_^ – Young
Young, I have a question. Why do you and the other leftist seem to go out the way just to bring my name up in a thread? Do you see me bringing up your name in any of my messages, hmmmmm? For some reason you and several others seem to be hung up on my dick. Is there a problem that I can help you with or something? And BTW, I’m sorry to see you consider the truth stupid. David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I believe that women invoke feminism only when it is to their : advantage to do so. That’s what I like about you and David Laville…you go around saying stupid things, even though it’s to your disadvantage. ^_^ – Young Young, I have a question. Why do you and the other leftist seem to go out the way just to bring my name up in a thread? Do you see me bringing up your name in any of my messages, hmmmmm? For some reason you and several others seem to be hung up on my dick. Is there a problem that I can help you with or something? And BTW, I’m sorry to see you consider the truth stupid.
I apoligize ahead of time, because I don’t normally jump into conversations I have nothing to do with, but…. This bullshit is getting out of hand. Guess what Laville? I don’t give a fuck about your dick or who’s hung up on it. And I don’t see how it has anything to do with golf. Guess what, neither does leftism, rightism, or any other -ism. You understand the golf swing, so comment on that, and anything else constructive you might have to add. Sure, you can pull that "you don’t have to read my posts" bullshit, but you don’t have to post them. Golf is a game of courtesy, why can’t we apply those same rules to RSG? This newsgroup is going to hell…. -Cem — Cem Cebenoyan || "Got more funky styles Georgia Institute of Technology || than my laserjet got Computer Science || font"
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I believe that women invoke feminism only when it is to their advantage to do so.
Some women propably do. But most propably not. I know many women who are feminisits and who always are prepared to defend womens rights, without considering how it will for instance reflect on their future. However, I do belive that this thread doesn’t belong in this newsgroup. When people read this newsgroup they do it because they are interested in golf. Things like: – where to play – what clubs to buy – read about what other players have encountered on the course. etc.. I belive that most people are quite uninterested in things like: – if TW is homosexual. – if TW is virgin. – Who thinks who is a racist. – If Greg Norman is a choker etc.. I am not saying that Mr. Kenneth Pitts is to be blamed for the fact that this newsgroup has come a far way from what it is supposed to be. I wouldn’t be suprised if he posted the above message just to get some action here. But what I am saying is that post like above are certainly going to be answered and we will have a lot more of non-golf related messages to scan through. ( Just like this one 
I am NOT a single digit handicapper, but I enjoy golf just as much as a pro, propably more Jochum Hintze
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s what I like about you and David Laville…you go around saying stupid things, even though it’s to your disadvantage. ^_^ Young, I have a question. Why do you and the other leftist seem to go out the way just to bring my name up in a thread? Do you see me bringing up your name in any of my messages, hmmmmm? For some reason you and several others seem to be hung up on my dick. Is there a problem that I can help you with or something? And BTW, I’m sorry to see you consider the truth stupid. I apoligize ahead of time, because I don’t normally jump into conversations I have nothing to do with, but…. This bullshit is getting out of hand. Guess what Laville? I don’t give a fuck about your dick or who’s hung up on it.
Could you please not use that word, how do you expect the children to read this group? And I don’t see how it has anything to do with golf.
Neither did Young’s reply and I don’t see you whining about it. Guess what, neither does leftism, rightism, or any other -ism. You understand the golf swing, so comment on that, and anything else constructive you might have to add.
I will comment on anything I darn well please, you don’t like it sue me! Sure, you can pull that "you don’t have to read my posts" bullshit, but you don’t have to post them.
As I said, I will comment on anything I darn well please. If others can post off topic crap than I will continue to post my opinion, whether you or anyone else likes it or not. Golf is a game of courtesy, why can’t we apply those same rules to RSG?
Then why don’t you show me the same courtesy you show Young, mailyman, and Mischke when they post their crap about me? This newsgroup is going to hell….
No thanks to you, your bias and opposition to freedom of speech. David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
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I apoligize ahead of time, because I don’t normally jump into conversations I have nothing to do with, but…. This bullshit is getting out of hand. Guess what Laville? I don’t give a fuck about your dick or who’s hung up on it. Could you please not use that word, how do you expect the children to read this group?
Ok, I won’t ever again. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Guess what, neither does leftism, rightism, or any other -ism. You understand the golf swing, so comment on that, and anything else constructive you might have to add. I will comment on anything I darn well please, you don’t like it sue me! Sure, you can pull that "you don’t have to read my posts" bullshit, but you don’t have to post them. As I said, I will comment on anything I darn well please. If others can post off topic crap than I will continue to post my opinion, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.
I never said you couldn’t, just you probably shouldn’t. Just because anything can be posted doesn’t mean it should be. Just as I should refrain from using expletives, you should refrain from posting personal attacks and off-topic stuff. People don’t want to see it, so why should one post it. After all, isn’t the whole point of posting so others see it? Golf is a game of courtesy, why can’t we apply those same rules to RSG? Then why don’t you show me the same courtesy you show Young, mailyman, and Mischke when they post their crap about me?
I don’t show them any particular courtesy, I usually just ignore them. Just as you should. I replied to you because of you stood out because of your unusually strong language ("hung up on my dick"). It simply didn’t seem appropriate or necessary. This newsgroup is going to hell…. No thanks to you, your bias and opposition to freedom of speech.
I don’t wish to start a flame war with you, David. None of this is personal, ok? It’s just that if you all stopped this constant "left vs. right" conflict and bickering in this ng, everyone would benefit. I don’t see any harm in that. You have your beliefs, others have theirs, none of it particularly relates to golf. After all, the whole point is to have an online discussion about golf, that is why we are all here (i assume). Nobody (including you, i’m sure) wants to wade through tons of nonsense to get to the relevant material. -Cem — Cem Cebenoyan || "Got more funky styles Georgia Institute of Technology || than my laserjet got Computer Science || font"
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I apoligize ahead of time, because I don’t normally jump into conversations I have nothing to do with, but…. This bullshit is getting out of hand. Guess what Laville? I don’t give a fuck about your dick or who’s hung up on it. Could you please not use that word, how do you expect the children to read this group? Ok, I won’t ever again. Guess what, neither does leftism, rightism, or any other -ism. You understand the golf swing, so comment on that, and anything else constructive you might have to add. I will comment on anything I darn well please, you don’t like it sue me! Sure, you can pull that "you don’t have to read my posts" bullshit, but you don’t have to post them. As I said, I will comment on anything I darn well please. If others can post off topic crap than I will continue to post my opinion, whether you or anyone else likes it or not. I never said you couldn’t, just you probably shouldn’t. Just because anything can be posted doesn’t mean it should be. Just as I should refrain from using expletives, you should refrain from posting personal attacks and off-topic stuff. People don’t want to see it, so why should one post it. After all, isn’t the whole point of posting so others see it? Golf is a game of courtesy, why can’t we apply those same rules to RSG? Then why don’t you show me the same courtesy you show Young, mailyman, and Mischke when they post their crap about me? I don’t show them any particular courtesy, I usually just ignore them. Just as you should. I replied to you because of you stood out because of your unusually strong language ("hung up on my dick"). It simply didn’t seem appropriate or necessary. This newsgroup is going to hell…. No thanks to you, your bias and opposition to freedom of speech. I don’t wish to start a flame war with you, David. None of this is personal, ok? It’s just that if you all stopped this constant "left vs. right" conflict and bickering in this ng, everyone would benefit. I don’t see any harm in that. You have your beliefs, others have theirs, none of it particularly relates to golf. After all, the whole point is to have an online discussion about golf, that is why we are all here (i assume). Nobody (including you, i’m sure) wants to wade through tons of nonsense to get to the relevant material. -Cem — Cem Cebenoyan || "Got more funky styles Georgia Institute of Technology || than my laserjet got Computer Science || font"
I think all of this rambling between the tag team of Laville-Pitts and Maily-Mischke is pretty amusing and an enjoyable read even if sometimes doesn’t deal with golf. I don’t think either side has anything personal going on and if by an off chance Joel Mailie and Kenneth Pitts happened onto the same public course and were paired together they would have an enjoyable round unless David showed up and tried to show everyone his "well you get the picture".
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I never said you couldn’t, just you probably shouldn’t. Just because anything can be posted doesn’t mean it should be. Just as I should refrain from using expletives, you should refrain from posting personal attacks and off-topic stuff. People don’t want to see it, so why should one post it. After all, isn’t the whole point of posting so others see it?
I’ll make a deal with you. When mailyman, Mischke, and Young stop going out of the way to make personal, off-topic remarks about me I’ll comply with your demand. Is it a deal? Apparenly these 3 individuals are exempt from the rules everyone else expects me to live by. Then why don’t you show me the same courtesy you show Young, mailyman, and Mischke when they post their crap about me? I don’t show them any particular courtesy, I usually just ignore them. Just as you should. I replied to you because of you stood out because of your unusually strong language ("hung up on my dick"). It simply didn’t seem appropriate or necessary.
Yes, it may have been strong, but at least I got the point across. David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
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OK. I’ll cite an example for you. <snip Otherwise, best regards, Young. TheReal Ken
Ken, one bone of contention: "…a lowly state employee who happens to be fairly attractive…" Have you SEEN photos of Ms. Jones?? In profile?? -Jim — http://www.cigargroup.com/regional/ca/ventura2 | Reply-to address altered. Address replies to: | | chesnutt at robles dot callutheran dot edu |
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I hereby pledge to never make another personal comment about Laville again. We’ve tried this before, and he never responded to my three requests for a truce. Perhaps this time we can accomplish it. David, there are enough requests for BOTH of us to cut it out that maybe we can agree. I bet you’re as tired of it all as I am. And Lord knows everyone else is. But we also should agree that we should not flame other people as well….. I pledge to keep my posts about golf. Wanna join me? — —Joel Maillie David Laville wrote (in reply to Cem): – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never said you couldn’t, just you probably shouldn’t. Just because anything can be posted doesn’t mean it should be. Just as I should refrain from using expletives, you should refrain from posting personal attacks and off-topic stuff. People don’t want to see it, so why should one post it. After all, isn’t the whole point of posting so others see it? I’ll make a deal with you. When mailyman, Mischke, and Young stop going out of the way to make personal, off-topic remarks about me I’ll comply with your demand. Is it a deal? Apparenly these 3 individuals are exempt from the rules everyone else expects me to live by.
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I hereby pledge to never make another personal comment about Laville again. We’ve tried this before, and he never responded to my three requests for a truce. Perhaps this time we can accomplish it.
Three request? I must have missed them (then again, my server deleted 5 messages that I know of that had todays date on them). David, there are enough requests for BOTH of us to cut it out that maybe we can agree. I bet you’re as tired of it all as I am. And Lord knows everyone else is. But we also should agree that we should not flame other people as well….. I pledge to keep my posts about golf. Wanna join me?
I’ll keep mine to golf, but I won’t join you. Sooner or later you’re going to say something unwarranted about me again, and when I respond you’re going to say "there you go again, I thought you agreed to keep it to golf". Then you’ll dig up this reply out of DejaNews, post it and say "see, you agreed to keep it to golf". Staying one step ahead of the game, David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
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You guys can have your cake and eat it too. If you care to argue, do it by email (as david and ken will attest, we have carried our discussions on away from rsg at times). That way the flames can go on without airing in public. bk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hereby pledge to never make another personal comment about Laville again. We’ve tried this before, and he never responded to my three requests for a truce. Perhaps this time we can accomplish it. Three request? I must have missed them (then again, my server deleted 5 messages that I know of that had todays date on them). David, there are enough requests for BOTH of us to cut it out that maybe we can agree. I bet you’re as tired of it all as I am. And Lord knows everyone else is. But we also should agree that we should not flame other people as well….. I pledge to keep my posts about golf. Wanna join me? I’ll keep mine to golf, but I won’t join you. Sooner or later you’re going to say something unwarranted about me again, and when I respond you’re going to say "there you go again, I thought you agreed to keep it to golf". Then you’ll dig up this reply out of DejaNews, post it and say "see, you agreed to keep it to golf". Staying one step ahead of the game, David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
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I hereby pledge to never make another personal comment about Laville again. We’ve tried this before, and he never responded to my three requests for a truce. Perhaps this time we can accomplish it. Three request? I must have missed them (then again, my server deleted 5 messages that I know of that had todays date on them).
Three requests? Better find a genie. It’s in their job description….;-) — "Never pick a fight with people who buy ink by the gallon." –Casey Stengel, when asked why he didn’t fight with the N.Y. sportswriters
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I’ve seen stills of her and interviews on TV. I never said she was a candidate for Miss America. I’ll admit she has a bit of a beak. If her allegations are true, she was at least able to put lead in Clinton’s pencil. TheReal Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK. I’ll cite an example for you. <snip Otherwise, best regards, Young. TheReal Ken Ken, one bone of contention: "…a lowly state employee who happens to be fairly attractive…" Have you SEEN photos of Ms. Jones?? In profile?? -Jim — http://www.cigargroup.com/regional/ca/ventura2 | Reply-to address altered. Address replies to: | | chesnutt at robles dot callutheran dot edu |