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Just to let you know that Jeremy Higginbotham (Sergio’s caddy) has been beaten up by the Americans in a hotel bar last Sunday. The reason he was beaten up by the Americans is because he himself is an American but he was in the Euro team. So the Americans are not bad sports huh! Nuff said. Ian Adams Supporter of the Euro team Believer that the American’s acted unsporting
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Prove it!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just to let you know that Jeremy Higginbotham (Sergio’s caddy) has been beaten up by the Americans in a hotel bar last Sunday. The reason he was beaten up by the Americans is because he himself is an American but he was in the Euro team. So the Americans are not bad sports huh! Nuff said. Ian Adams Supporter of the Euro team Believer that the American’s acted unsporting
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you are uninformed who are "the Americans"? Just to let you know that Jeremy Higginbotham (Sergio’s caddy) has been beaten up by the Americans in a hotel bar last Sunday. The reason he was beaten up by the Americans is because he himself is an American but he was in the Euro team.
how do you know this? So the Americans are not bad sports huh!
correct, they are not bad sports – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nuff said. Ian Adams Supporter of the Euro team Believer that the American’s acted unsporting
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He provoked a drunk and got cold-cocked….happens a thousand times a day all around the world…..get on with your life
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just to let you know that Jeremy Higginbotham (Sergio’s caddy) has been beaten up by the Americans in a hotel bar last Sunday. The reason he was beaten up by the Americans is because he himself is an American but he was in the Euro team. So the Americans are not bad sports huh! Nuff said. Ian Adams Supporter of the Euro team Believer that the American’s acted unsporting
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Just to let you know that Jeremy Higginbotham (Sergio’s caddy) has been beaten up by the Americans in a hotel bar last Sunday. The reason he was beaten up by the Americans is because he himself is an American but he was in the Euro team.
He was beaten up by one drunk at a bar. For the most part, I think most of us here are pretty classy golf fans. It’s only a small minority of people who are causing the problems. Benson
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read it on the CNN sports web page. Mr. Higginbotham did say that he helped to provoke the situation, but it is still not right to beat the heck out of someone for making a living. I am an American and support America all the way, unfortunately some of us take that support way past the line of human decency and common sense. Just my $.02 Just to let you know that Jeremy Higginbotham (Sergio’s caddy) has been beaten up by the Americans in a hotel bar last Sunday. l The reason he was beaten up by the Americans is because he himself is an American but he was in the Euro team. So the Americans are not bad sports huh!
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When you go to a bar and start a fight, you better expect that someone will take a swing at you. Your post distorts the facts to suit your needs. He has admitted to being an active part in a verbal argument with a drunk guy. It’s not like he was sitting by himself, having a drink, when all of a sudden someone hit him from behind. He said that he helped provoke the fight. Secondly it was ONE American who hit him, NOT AMERICANS!! Big difference. Finally the reason he was beat up is because he started a fight and lost. That’s tough shit. If you can’t win a fight, don’t start a fight and then complain about it when you lose. As for Americans being poor sports, yes there are a lot of poor sports who are Americans, just like there are a lot of poor sports who are Europeans. No one said the world was full of nice people. Deal with it. Pritam
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just to let you know that Jeremy Higginbotham (Sergio’s caddy) has been beaten up by the Americans in a hotel bar last Sunday. The reason he was beaten up by the Americans is because he himself is an American but he was in the Euro team. So the Americans are not bad sports huh! Nuff said. Ian Adams Supporter of the Euro team Believer that the American’s acted unsporting
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I am not going to comment on the bar brawl, but Mr. Higginbotham should have known better about the conflict of interest and help Sergio find another capable caddy for the Cup matches. To say the least, he cannot be considered a man of high national pride. How would you like to see your countrymen battling for the other side? Well, from the experience earlier this century, I guess the Frenchmen know all about that. On a side note, does anyone know if the caddies get paid for Ryder Cup by either the organizers or the players, if they do, I mean, if Mr. Higgonbotham did, that shows you his character pretty clearly.
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I am not going to comment on the bar brawl, but Mr. Higginbotham should have known better about the conflict of interest and help Sergio find another capable caddy for the Cup matches. To say the least, he cannot be considered a man of high national pride. How would you like to see your countrymen battling for the other side? Well, from the experience earlier this century in the World Wars, I guess the Frenchmen know all about that. On a side note, does anyone know whether the caddies get paid for Ryder Cup by either the organizers or the players, if they do, I mean, if Mr. Higgonbotham did, that shows you his character pretty clearly.
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I am not going to comment on the bar brawl, but Mr. Higginbotham should have known better about the conflict of interest and help Sergio find another capable caddy for the Cup matches. To say the least, he cannot be considered a man of high national pride. How would you like to see your countrymen battling for the other side? Well, from the experience earlier this century in the World Wars, I guess the Frenchmen know all about that. On a side note, does anyone know whether the caddies get paid for Ryder Cup by either the organizers or the players, if they do, I mean, if Mr. Higgonbotham did, that shows you his character pretty clearly.
For crying out loud, it is a golf competition, not WW3. You making much too much of it.
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I am not going to comment on the bar brawl, but Mr. Higginbotham should have known better about the conflict of interest and help Sergio find another capable caddy for the Cup matches. To say the least, he cannot be considered a man of high national pride. How would you like to see your countrymen battling for the other side? Well, from the experience earlier this century, I guess the Frenchmen know all about that. On a side note, does anyone know if the caddies get paid for Ryder Cup by either the organizers or the players, if they do, I mean, if Mr. Higgonbotham did, that shows you his character pretty clearly.
Gimme a break. This is golf…a game. It is an exhibition designed, presumably, to foster friendship and goodwill and showcase sonme of the world’s best players. (I’m assuming a bit here because I don’t know for certain.) Higginbotham caddies to earn his livelihood and you could cite any number of people who work for those of other countries, even in sporting events. This isn’t war, it’s golf. Please stop trying to make this someting it isn’t. Bruce RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm
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Well, I played golf with a very hung over Marshal on Monday and here’s what he recollects (barely). There was a huge party at The Country Club outside the clubhouse after the matches. All the European Caddies were there drinking heavily. As the Europeans left the interview tent many of them (except Monty) joined in the fun. Even Olazabal threw his golf shoes into the crowd. They eventually drank the clubhouse dry. Literally! No more beer! THEN they headed over to the Holiday Inn whare the caddies were staying to drink more. If Higgenbottam was in this group it is very possible thhat he was as drunk as the rest of them. At that point, all bets are off. Its drunks against drunks. The other thing that I thought was interesting was the joining in of several of the european players. It seems they got over the loss pretty quickly. A lot faster that their fans thats for sure! Skil
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I am not going to comment on the bar brawl, but Mr. Higginbotham should have known better about the conflict of interest and help Sergio find another capable caddy for the Cup matches. To say the least, he cannot be considered a man of high national pride. How would you like to see your countrymen battling for the other side? Well, from the experience earlier this century, I guess the Frenchmen know all about that. On a side note, does anyone know if the caddies get paid for Ryder Cup by either the organizers or the players, if they do, I mean, if Mr. Higgonbotham did, that shows you his character pretty clearly.
This is exactly the thinking I detest about events like the Ryder Cup. National pride?? Don’t be ridiculous. If there is so much national pride involved, why was there a PGA Tour event underway during the same weekend. Shouldn’t all of the golfers in that event have skipped it to devote all their attention on the Ryder? The Ryder Cup is an exhibition with opposing sides as the media hook. It could as well be an All-Star golf event. B. Martin
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What!?! I am not going to comment on the bar brawl
How convenient… pass over and dismiss any indefensible ugly behavior by any American. Now, that’s what being a patriot is all about: willful ignorance! Mr. Higginbotham should have known better about the conflict of interest and help Sergio find another capable caddy for the Cup matches. To say the least, he cannot be considered a man of high national pride.
Yeah, and by that standard anyone who works for Daimler-Chrysler or buys a Nikon camera or sells Sony TV’s for a living is a traitor. How would you like to see your countrymen battling for the other side? Well, from the experience earlier this century in the World Wars, I guess the Frenchmen know all about
that. Golf = war. Geez, I don’t even know how to respond to that. On a side note, does anyone know whether the caddies get paid for Ryder Cup by either the organizers or the players, if they do, I mean, if Mr. Higgonbotham did, that shows you his character pretty clearly.
Right. Obviously. Anyone who does his job and gets paid for his work is clearly not a man of character. Patrick O’Brian wrote; "Invariably patriotism comes down either to ‘My Country, Right or Wrong,’ which is infamous, or ‘My Country is Always Right,’ which is imbecile." I thought I disagreed with that line when I read it, but sentiments like these manifest what Mr. O’Brian had in mind when he wrote that. Before you buy.
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Just to let you know that Jeremy Higginbotham (Sergio’s caddy) has been beaten up by the Americans in a hotel bar last Sunday. The reason he was beaten up by the Americans is because he himself is an American but he was in the Euro team. So the Americans are not bad sports huh! Nuff said. Ian Adams Supporter of the Euro team Believer that the American’s acted unsporting
So, "the Americans" are responsible for anything *an* American does? So, since Philby, McLean, and Burgess were British, "the British" are all traitors. And since Oswald Moseley was a Brit, that must mean you’re all a bunch of Fascists. And since Tony Blair is British, you must all be half-deranged left-wing demagogues. Gee, this is fun! —– Scott A. Munro Paint Shop Pro tutorials and skeptical UFO stuff http://www.nextdim.com/users/smunro/ Abolish the IRS: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c106:H.R.2525.IH:
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When you go to a bar and start a fight, you better expect that someone will take a swing at you. Your post distorts the facts to suit your needs. He has admitted to being an active part in a verbal argument with a drunk guy. It’s not like he was sitting by himself, having a drink, when all of a sudden someone hit him from behind. He said that he helped provoke the fight. Secondly it was ONE American who hit him, NOT AMERICANS!! Big difference. Finally the reason he was beat up is because he started a fight and lost. That’s tough shit. If you can’t win a fight, don’t start a fight and then complain about it when you lose. As for Americans being poor sports, yes there are a lot of poor sports who are Americans, just like there are a lot of poor sports who are Europeans. No one said the world was full of nice people. Deal with it. Pritam
How do you know he started it ? There is no mention of him starting it in any of the media reports I have seen – obviously the rest of the world is wrong and you are right. Since you are presumably an American but were presuambly not one of the American yobs in the crowd – haven’t you rather made my point about *** Americans *** Anyway, Mr very touchy, the mere fact that I refer to Americans as beating up Garcia’s caddy and that American’s are bad sports doesn’t mean that I mean ALL Americans are bad sports – I was obviously refering to the the American supporters present within the Ryder cup environment. Your Ultimate sentence is clearly correct but never in contention. Perhaps you should <<<Deal with it. — Ian Adams
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I am not going to comment on the bar brawl, but Mr. Higginbotham should have known better about the conflict of interest and help Sergio find another capable caddy for the Cup matches. To say the least, he cannot be considered a man of high national pride. How would you like to see your countrymen battling for the other side? Well, from the experience earlier this century, I guess the Frenchmen know all about that. On a side note, does anyone know if the caddies get paid for Ryder Cup by either the organizers or the players, if they do, I mean, if Mr. Higgonbotham did, that shows you his character pretty clearly.
He did actually ask his American colleagues if they minded beforehand and they didn’t. Seems you don’t know much huh! — Ian Adams
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am not going to comment on the bar brawl, but Mr. Higginbotham should have known better about the conflict of interest and help Sergio find another capable caddy for the Cup matches. To say the least, he cannot be considered a man of high national pride. How would you like to see your countrymen battling for the other side? Well, from the experience earlier this century, I guess the Frenchmen know all about that. On a side note, does anyone know if the caddies get paid for Ryder Cup by either the organizers or the players, if they do, I mean, if Mr. Higgonbotham did, that shows you his character pretty clearly. Gimme a break. This is golf…a game. It is an exhibition designed, presumably, to foster friendship and goodwill and showcase sonme of the world’s best players. (I’m assuming a bit here because I don’t know for certain.) Higginbotham caddies to earn his livelihood and you could cite any number of people who work for those of other countries, even in sporting events. This isn’t war, it’s golf. Please stop trying to make this someting it isn’t. Bruce
Well said! — Ian Adams
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well, I played golf with a very hung over Marshal on Monday and here’s what he recollects (barely). There was a huge party at The Country Club outside the clubhouse after the matches. All the European Caddies were there drinking heavily. As the Europeans left the interview tent many of them (except Monty) joined in the fun. Even Olazabal threw his golf shoes into the crowd. They eventually drank the clubhouse dry. Literally! No more beer! THEN they headed over to the Holiday Inn whare the caddies were staying to drink more. If Higgenbottam was in this group it is very possible thhat he was as drunk as the rest of them. At that point, all bets are off. Its drunks against drunks. The other thing that I thought was interesting was the joining in of several of the european players. It seems they got over the loss pretty quickly. A lot faster that their fans thats for sure! Skil
If the Europeans had got over it and were having fun then it seems unlikely that Garcia’s caddy picked a fight. Perhaps he struck first but there again perhaps not. It was an American against an American I certainly wouldn’t like to to try and guess the outcome of that one! It seems that the American on the Euros side lost though – oh well, perhaps we Europeans are just so useless at everything. Perhaps we should bow down in awe to the great land of America – or, to be fair to America, the great land of American Golf. — Ian Adams
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So, "the Americans" are responsible for anything *an* American does?
Obviously not. So, since Philby, McLean, and Burgess were British, "the British" are all traitors.
If it pleases you to believe this then ok. And since Oswald Moseley was a Brit, that must mean you’re all a bunch of Fascists.
If you would like to think so. And since Tony Blair is British, you must all be half-deranged left-wing demagogues.
Good point. Gee, this is fun!
Isn’t it just – do you feel better now ? —– Scott A. Munro Paint Shop Pro tutorials and skeptical UFO stuff http://www.nextdim.com/users/smunro/ Abolish the IRS: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c106:H.R.2525.IH:
Great advert Scott, Had any European clients lately ? — Ian Adams
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I’m a big P.O’B fan, but can’t remember where he wrote that. Which book was it? Thanks, Remsleep – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Patrick O’Brian wrote; "Invariably patriotism comes down either to ‘My Country, Right or Wrong,’ which is infamous, or ‘My Country is Always Right,’ which is imbecile." I thought I disagreed with that line when I read it, but sentiments like these manifest what Mr. O’Brian had in mind when he wrote that. Before you buy.
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I’m a big P.O’B fan, but can’t remember where he wrote that. Which book was it? Thanks, Remsleep
As I remember it was a Stephen Maturin line in either Desolation Island or Fortune of War. He was talking about Britain’s conduct towards America leading up to the War of 1812 — essentially he was recognizing that although he was duty bound to fight for the Brits and continued to do so, he realized that the British policies were wrong and short-sighted. Patrick O’Brian wrote; "Invariably patriotism comes down either to ‘My Country, Right or Wrong,’ which is infamous, or ‘My Country is Always Right,’ which is imbecile." I thought I disagreed with that line when I read it, but sentiments like these manifest what Mr. O’Brian had in mind when he wrote that.
Before you buy.
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Now wait a minute. From a pragmatic perspective, Higginbotham might have been better off at a different bar, or not in a bar at all. But I see absolutely nothing unsporting or unpatriotic in his caddying for a European player. This is, after all, America. -joseph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am not going to comment on the bar brawl, but Mr. Higginbotham should have known better about the conflict of interest and help Sergio find another capable caddy for the Cup matches. To say the least, he cannot be considered a man of high national pride. How would you like to see your countrymen battling for the other side? Well, from the experience earlier this century in the World Wars, I guess the Frenchmen know all about that. On a side note, does anyone know whether the caddies get paid for Ryder Cup by either the organizers or the players, if they do, I mean, if Mr. Higgonbotham did, that shows you his character pretty clearly.
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The Higgenbotham incedent has nothing to do with nationalism. It was a bunch of drunks in a bar brawl. I notice he didn’t press any charges…
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The Higgenbotham incedent has nothing to do with nationalism. It was a bunch of drunks in a bar brawl.
The nationalism I was referring to is that which asserts it was wrong, treacherous, un-American, dishonorable, and wicked for Higgenbotham to serve as Garcia’s (a foreigner! gasp!) caddy. Higgenbotham wasn’t clever to take on a bunch of drunks in a bar brawl: he said so himself. But the accounts I’ve seen strongly suggest that the instigators of the incident were harassing him for being a "traitor" so it does seem that misguided patriotism played a role. Before you buy.