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Even if he was a boxer at one time, I think it would have been a bad mistake for him to take a club to Hal Sutton. Zane
because Hal is one of the living dead? LOL I mean come on look at him, hes a zombie 
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more troll stuff I hope you’re not from the uk!
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Why the God-botherer wasn’t welcome this time around: ‘It’s one of the most disgusting things I have seen in my life. Tom Lehman calls himself a man of God, but his behaviour has been disgusting today.’ Sam Torrance on Lehman’s multiple final day stunts at Brookline.
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‘It’s a good job I wasn’t there because I’m not the kind to take it. There would have been a few clubheads in heads.’ Ian Woosnam (snip) I was kind of a fan of Woosnam’s before he came up with that. Don’t think much of him anymore. That kind of talk from a golfer is worse than the actions of jerk fans. Even if he was a boxer at one time, I think it would have been a bad mistake for him to take a club to Hal Sutton.
Woosnam was making reference to the fans. [I'd take Woosnam over Halimony].
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I agree, nationalism is unpleasant and in any case rather ridiculous when analysed with any kind of logic
It’s one Tour against another. You’re a silly little English puke. Go and wet the bed someplace else.
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Ah yes, Sam Torrance the acidic critic of all things golf… We all should really take to heart what Preacher Sam says about others…with several truck loads of salt!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why the God-botherer wasn’t welcome this time around: ‘It’s one of the most disgusting things I have seen in my life. Tom Lehman calls himself a man of God, but his behaviour has been disgusting today.’ Sam Torrance on Lehman’s multiple final day stunts at Brookline.
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(snip) Woosnam was making reference to the fans.
It seemed to me from the video clip that I saw that he was talking about the famous celebrating golfers when Leonard made that putt. I could be wrong of course. Zane
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I only have one question for you, Stan: Just who do you think you are trying to apply logic, clearheaded thinking, and dispassionate, emotionless examination of the Ryder Cup and its participants? Sheesh! Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (all snipped) How kind of you to share your press cuttings album with us. While your intention can only be to stir up trouble, I am a British fan who firmly believes:- a) Some Ryder Cup fans on both sides of the Atlantic who attend the event suffer from ‘football fever’ at the height of the contest, making it more like a Spanish bullfight than a golf match. b) While not justifying anyone’s treatment of Monty, he has never endeared himself to fans, even at home. c) There were plenty of individual examples of fine sporting behaviour from the US players at Brookline. d) *Any* team would have responded in the same way to Leonard’s putt on 17. It was a spontaneous, organic, knee-jerk reaction and totally understandable. e) The Europe team performed out of their skins for 2 days; the US team performed a miracle on Sunday. f) The Ryder Cup is the most thrilling event in sport. Stan
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‘It’s a good job I wasn’t there because I’m not the kind to take it. There would have been a few clubheads in heads.’ Ian Woosnam
(snip) I was kind of a fan of Woosnam’s before he came up with that. Don’t think much of him anymore. That kind of talk from a golfer is worse than the actions of jerk fans. Even if he was a boxer at one time, I think it would have been a bad mistake for him to take a club to Hal Sutton. Zane
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but then again he would have to be listed in the top few hundred of all time which on statistics alone based on the thousands of golfers to have ever playedwould make him (and any professional) one of the greatest golfers in history even if hed said one of the greatest pro golfers in history I will wager that in terms of his overall rating (top 200 all time ? top 500?) divided by
the number of pro golfers ever he is comfortably one of the greatest, With the smiles, I assume that this is all tongue-in-cheek, since I doubt that hardly anyone considers the Top 200 to be the greatest ever !
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it was a big tongue in cheek but if you divide 200 into the number of golfers or pro golfers ever it would make him in the top 1% or top 0.1% or even 0.01%, which is pretty great 
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – but then again he would have to be listed in the top few hundred of all time which on statistics alone based on the thousands of golfers to have ever playedwould make him (and any professional) one of the greatest golfers in history even if hed said one of the greatest pro golfers in history I will wager that in terms of his overall rating (top 200 all time ? top 500?) divided by the number of pro golfers ever he is comfortably one of the greatest, With the smiles, I assume that this is all tongue-in-cheek, since I doubt that hardly anyone considers the Top 200 to be the greatest ever !
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well thats one way of looking at it what you describe is not what I call "nationalism" it was fairly clear in the context of the thread I was referring to it becoming overtly aggressive and in your face and disrespectful – we have idiots over here called the "national front" who want "niggers" as they call them to piss off out of the country they argue they are being "patriotic" and "nationalistic" its ok to root for your country but at least have the intellectual fibre to realise it is just an accident you were born where you were born, its not a credential or badge of superiority, nor (in the vast majority of cases) did you contribute in any way to "your" teams skills sorry if my "world view" is seen as casting the net generally perhaps i just think we should not try to emphasise nationalities other than to enjoy and respect other cultures and traditions I hardly think my opinions shared would be *sad*, far from it I think people would get along a whole lot more.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree, nationalism is unpleasant and in any case rather ridiculous when analysed with any kind of logic You’re casting an awfully big net, there. I pull for my country(Canada) in hockey and the other sports we compete in…..that doesn’t mean I’m an apologist, unpleasant, or ridiculous under any kind of logic. Aim your stones a little more carefully next time. sadly this opinion is not shared by many Sadly? Particularly given your vast generalization, it would be sad *if* many shared your opinion.
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It was a spontaneous, organic, knee-jerk reaction and totally understandable. Even Jesper Parnevik, with whom I spoke on Sunday a few hours after he was selected by Captain Torrance, and who was on the losing team in ‘99, agreed with that statement. He practically said the exact same thing to me.
Parnevik was being diplomatic. He makes a substantial crust in the States. At the time, he compared Brookline to playing golf in the middle of the Super Bowl. Fair comment. "That kind of behavior is not the one anybody expects. It was very sad to see. It was an ugly picture to see." JM Olazabal on events at the 17th.
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[...fine comments snipped...] Once again, Stan, you have provided a reasonable and fair rebuttal. In this too often whacky forum, I really appreciate your posts as you appear to be a pure golfer, not a nationalist. Thank you.
A reasonable and fair rebuttal to what? Ian Woosnam’s remarks? Ben Crenshaw’s remarks? Steve Pate’s remarks? The LA Times and Boston Globe reporters remarks? Montgomerie’s remarks? Stan is after a diplomatic posting in a small backroom office in Thesalonika. And under that desk will be his understudy, Brucie, swallowing hard.
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[...fine comments snipped...] Once again, Stan, you have provided a reasonable and fair rebuttal. In this too often whacky forum, I really appreciate your posts as you appear to be a pure golfer, not a nationalist. Thank you. Bruce http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm http://go.to/bruce_newman
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I agree, nationalism is unpleasant and in any case rather ridiculous when analysed with any kind of logic sadly this opinion is not shared by many
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...fine comments snipped...] Once again, Stan, you have provided a reasonable and fair rebuttal. In this too often whacky forum, I really appreciate your posts as you appear to be a pure golfer, not a nationalist. Thank you. Bruce http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm http://go.to/bruce_newman
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I am also appalled at the treatment accorded Colin Montgomerie – one of the greatest golfers in history. The lack of respect by the idiots who are ignorant of his greatness is despicable.
I was also appalled by the treatment accorded Colin, who is NOT one of the greatest golfers in history.
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"Lee Harris" wrote … I would agree with you on all but this d) *Any* team would have responded in the same way to Leonard’s putt on 17. It was a spontaneous, organic, knee-jerk reaction and totally understandable.
Even Jesper Parnevik, with whom I spoke on Sunday a few hours after he was selected by Captain Torrance, and who was on the losing team in ‘99, agreed with that statement. He practically said the exact same thing to me. Randy
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I would agree with you on all but this d) *Any* team would have responded in the same way to Leonard’s putt on 17. It was a spontaneous, organic, knee-jerk reaction and totally understandable. I think most teams would have done the same AFTER the other guy missed the putt that could have in fact kept the result open to question on the final hole. Sure a major celebration and general madness (Sergio gives it plenty), but not the whole team, entourage and wives who bloody well should have known better that the Cup was NOT resolved by that putt, but by Ollies miss.Before Justin stroked that putt, youre not telling me that Crenshaw was watching saying "this for the Cup" since hes not stupid, he knew full well Ollie still had a putt ……. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (all snipped) How kind of you to share your press cuttings album with us. While your intention can only be to stir up trouble, I am a British fan who firmly believes:- a) Some Ryder Cup fans on both sides of the Atlantic who attend the event suffer from ‘football fever’ at the height of the contest, making it more like a Spanish bullfight than a golf match. b) While not justifying anyone’s treatment of Monty, he has never endeared himself to fans, even at home. c) There were plenty of individual examples of fine sporting behaviour from the US players at Brookline. d) *Any* team would have responded in the same way to Leonard’s putt on 17. It was a spontaneous, organic, knee-jerk reaction and totally understandable. e) The Europe team performed out of their skins for 2 days; the US team performed a miracle on Sunday. f) The Ryder Cup is the most thrilling event in sport. Stan
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I agree, nationalism is unpleasant and in any case rather ridiculous when analysed with any kind of logic
You’re casting an awfully big net, there. I pull for my country(Canada) in hockey and the other sports we compete in…..that doesn’t mean I’m an apologist, unpleasant, or ridiculous under any kind of logic. Aim your stones a little more carefully next time. sadly this opinion is not shared by many
Sadly? Particularly given your vast generalization, it would be sad *if* many shared your opinion.
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but then again he would have to be listed in the top few hundred of all time which on statistics alone based on the thousands of golfers to have ever played would make him (and any professional) one of the greatest golfers in history even if hed said one of the greatest pro golfers in history I will wager that in terms of his overall rating (top 200 all time ? top 500?) divided by the number of pro golfers ever he is comfortably one of the greatest,
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am also appalled at the treatment accorded Colin Montgomerie – one of the greatest golfers in history. The lack of respect by the idiots who are ignorant of his greatness is despicable. I was also appalled by the treatment accorded Colin, who is NOT one of the greatest golfers in history.
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I am also appalled at the treatment accorded Colin Montgomerie – one of the greatest golfers in history. The lack of respect by the idiots who are ignorant of his greatness is despicable. Good quotes here. Sign me up. GH
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ‘It’s a good job I wasn’t there because I’m not the kind to take it. There would have been a few clubheads in heads.’ Ian Woosnam "I told him that periodically throughout the match. I wasn’t going to let heckling influence one of his shots. I think he respected that from me and all I can say now, again, is: ‘I’m sorry about some of our fans. It’s not right they should behave that way.’" Payne Stewart Daily Telegraph: The focus, naturally, was on the storming of the 17th green by players, caddies, supporters and even wives after Justin Leonard’s putt from 40 feet left Olazabal with an effort of half that magnitude to save the cup for Europe. The Spaniard looked shell-shocked and sickened at a display that was watched, without intervention, by the US captain Ben Crenshaw. When Olazabal missed, Crenshaw, from a kneeling position, bent down and kissed the turf three times. "That was out of line. We’re sorry it happened." Steve Pate "It was not a good thing. But sometimes you get carried away." Tom Lehman "We do apologise sincerely. There wasn’t any call for that and it really was not something that we need to be proud of." Ben Crenshaw The Guardian: James Montgomerie had to leave the course after only a few holes on Sunday, unable to bear the foul-mouthed abuse that his son, Colin, was being subjected to during his Ryder Cup singles match against Payne Stewart at the Country Club. "My father left on the 7th," said Montgomerie, deeply upset. "That’s wrong. He’s 70 years old, he comes over here to watch me perform and has to leave. That isn’t right, it’s just not. It should not happen." Colin Montgomerie’s wife Eimear carried on regardless. Sadly, she had heard it all before anyway The Independent: Stewart, for all his bombast and rah-rah razzmatazz, has learned the line between the acceptable and the unacceptable. He was so appalled by what he heard that, as early as the 5th hole, he told his opponent: "Colin, look, if you have a problem I will take care of it. This is not what it’s about. Some of our fans are out of control and not appropriate." "We do apologise sincerely. There wasn’t any call for that and it really was not something that we need to be proud of." Ben Crenshaw Joe Concannon The Detroit News "There was a large and boisterous crowd on hand for three days, and the unfortunate part is they were too large and too boisterous. They heckled Colin Montgomerie, to the irritation of singles opponent Payne Stewart. They didn’t belong at The Country Club, they belonged in a different element. "Even the US players were caught up in it, swarming out to engulf Leonard. The commotion was disconcerting. It wasn’t Boston or Brookline at its collective best. There were too many spectators who tended to spoil the show." Mark Whicker The Boston Globe "It seems an American team can’t get through an international competition without acting like jackasses at some point, and Steve Pate and Tom Lehman led a ridiculous charge to mob Leonard. Olazabal was 20 feet away and could have halved the hole. Distracted and delayed, the world’s greatest putter missed. "Had he made it, done that, the match would have been tied and Europe could have kept the Cup. So it was not just a spasm of well-intentioned enthusiasm. It deserved a severe celebration penalty." Thomas Boswell LA Times "The entire US team violated every principle of proper golf decorum and decent manners by pouring on to the 17th green to celebrate with Leonard. Technically speaking, could you be much more unsporting? No.
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(all snipped) How kind of you to share your press cuttings album with us. While your intention can only be to stir up trouble, I am a British fan who firmly believes:- a) Some Ryder Cup fans on both sides of the Atlantic who attend the event suffer from ‘football fever’ at the height of the contest, making it more like a Spanish bullfight than a golf match. b) While not justifying anyone’s treatment of Monty, he has never endeared himself to fans, even at home. c) There were plenty of individual examples of fine sporting behaviour from the US players at Brookline. d) *Any* team would have responded in the same way to Leonard’s putt on 17. It was a spontaneous, organic, knee-jerk reaction and totally understandable. e) The Europe team performed out of their skins for 2 days; the US team performed a miracle on Sunday. f) The Ryder Cup is the most thrilling event in sport. Stan
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -’It’s a good job I wasn’t there because I’m not the kind to take it. There would have been a few clubheads in heads.’ Ian Woosnam "I told him that periodically throughout the match. I wasn’t going to let heckling influence one of his shots. I think he respected that from me and all I can say now, again, is: ‘I’m sorry about some of our fans. It’s not right they should behave that way.’" Payne Stewart Daily Telegraph: The focus, naturally, was on the storming of the 17th green by players, caddies, supporters and even wives after Justin Leonard’s putt from 40 feet left Olazabal with an effort of half that magnitude to save the cup for Europe. The Spaniard looked shell-shocked and sickened at a display that was watched, without intervention, by the US captain Ben Crenshaw. When Olazabal missed, Crenshaw, from a kneeling position, bent down and kissed the turf three times. "That was out of line. We’re sorry it happened." Steve Pate "It was not a good thing. But sometimes you get carried away." Tom Lehman "We do apologise sincerely. There wasn’t any call for that and it really was not something that we need to be proud of." Ben Crenshaw The Guardian: James Montgomerie had to leave the course after only a few holes on Sunday, unable to bear the foul-mouthed abuse that his son, Colin, was being subjected to during his Ryder Cup singles match against Payne Stewart at the Country Club. "My father left on the 7th," said Montgomerie, deeply upset. "That’s wrong. He’s 70 years old, he comes over here to watch me perform and has to leave. That isn’t right, it’s just not. It should not happen." Colin Montgomerie’s wife Eimear carried on regardless. Sadly, she had heard it all before anyway The Independent: Stewart, for all his bombast and rah-rah razzmatazz, has learned the line between the acceptable and the unacceptable. He was so appalled by what he heard that, as early as the 5th hole, he told his opponent: "Colin, look, if you have a problem I will take care of it. This is not what it’s about. Some of our fans are out of control and not appropriate." "We do apologise sincerely. There wasn’t any call for that and it really was not something that we need to be proud of." Ben Crenshaw Joe Concannon The Detroit News "There was a large and boisterous crowd on hand for three days, and the unfortunate part is they were too large and too boisterous. They heckled Colin Montgomerie, to the irritation of singles opponent Payne Stewart. They didn’t belong at The Country Club, they belonged in a different element. "Even the US players were caught up in it, swarming out to engulf Leonard. The commotion was disconcerting. It wasn’t Boston or Brookline at its collective best. There were too many spectators who tended to spoil the show." Mark Whicker The Boston Globe "It seems an American team can’t get through an international competition without acting like jackasses at some point, and Steve Pate and Tom Lehman led a ridiculous charge to mob Leonard. Olazabal was 20 feet away and could have halved the hole. Distracted and delayed, the world’s greatest putter missed. "Had he made it, done that, the match would have been tied and Europe could have kept the Cup. So it was not just a spasm of well-intentioned enthusiasm. It deserved a severe celebration penalty." Thomas Boswell LA Times "The entire US team violated every principle of proper golf decorum and decent manners by pouring on to the 17th green to celebrate with Leonard. Technically speaking, could you be much more unsporting? No.
Since taking up the game again last year and joining rsg, I’d gathered that the event went sour last time but I hadn’t realised to what extent. Let’s hope it all goes well this year and that the Europeans win the cup fair and square without stealing it with intimidating behaviour etc. We should try to set a good example. If an idiot tendency attend from the uk this year and decide to get even, this event could also be marred. There are many shallow fools on this side of the pond – look at some of those that attend football matches …btw, where do you come from Gob? — F.
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‘It’s a good job I wasn’t there because I’m not the kind to take it. There would have been a few clubheads in heads.’ Ian Woosnam "I told him that periodically throughout the match. I wasn’t going to let heckling influence one of his shots. I think he respected that from me and all I can say now, again, is: ‘I’m sorry about some of our fans. It’s not right they should behave that way.’" Payne Stewart Daily Telegraph: The focus, naturally, was on the storming of the 17th green by players, caddies, supporters and even wives after Justin Leonard’s putt from 40 feet left Olazabal with an effort of half that magnitude to save the cup for Europe. The Spaniard looked shell-shocked and sickened at a display that was watched, without intervention, by the US captain Ben Crenshaw. When Olazabal missed, Crenshaw, from a kneeling position, bent down and kissed the turf three times. "That was out of line. We’re sorry it happened." Steve Pate "It was not a good thing. But sometimes you get carried away." Tom Lehman "We do apologise sincerely. There wasn’t any call for that and it really was not something that we need to be proud of." Ben Crenshaw The Guardian: James Montgomerie had to leave the course after only a few holes on Sunday, unable to bear the foul-mouthed abuse that his son, Colin, was being subjected to during his Ryder Cup singles match against Payne Stewart at the Country Club. "My father left on the 7th," said Montgomerie, deeply upset. "That’s wrong. He’s 70 years old, he comes over here to watch me perform and has to leave. That isn’t right, it’s just not. It should not happen." Colin Montgomerie’s wife Eimear carried on regardless. Sadly, she had heard it all before anyway The Independent: Stewart, for all his bombast and rah-rah razzmatazz, has learned the line between the acceptable and the unacceptable. He was so appalled by what he heard that, as early as the 5th hole, he told his opponent: "Colin, look, if you have a problem I will take care of it. This is not what it’s about. Some of our fans are out of control and not appropriate." "We do apologise sincerely. There wasn’t any call for that and it really was not something that we need to be proud of." Ben Crenshaw Joe Concannon The Detroit News "There was a large and boisterous crowd on hand for three days, and the unfortunate part is they were too large and too boisterous. They heckled Colin Montgomerie, to the irritation of singles opponent Payne Stewart. They didn’t belong at The Country Club, they belonged in a different element. "Even the US players were caught up in it, swarming out to engulf Leonard. The commotion was disconcerting. It wasn’t Boston or Brookline at its collective best. There were too many spectators who tended to spoil the show." Mark Whicker The Boston Globe "It seems an American team can’t get through an international competition without acting like jackasses at some point, and Steve Pate and Tom Lehman led a ridiculous charge to mob Leonard. Olazabal was 20 feet away and could have halved the hole. Distracted and delayed, the world’s greatest putter missed. "Had he made it, done that, the match would have been tied and Europe could have kept the Cup. So it was not just a spasm of well-intentioned enthusiasm. It deserved a severe celebration penalty." Thomas Boswell LA Times "The entire US team violated every principle of proper golf decorum and decent manners by pouring on to the 17th green to celebrate with Leonard. Technically speaking, could you be much more unsporting? No.