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Nah. He pays others to do it for him. He’s too busy shooting 58 on his TW2000 golf game! -T-
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Y’know, it’s kind of funny in a way… we’ve all seen the images of Arnold Palmer in his home repair shop regripping or reshafting his clubs. Somehow I can’t quite get that same image in my mind of Tiger at home regripping his clubs or grinding the soles of his clubheads. Although I’m sure he probably does. Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html What I heard was that it was an old set he had laying around. My hunch is that they were an extra set of the same clubs. Hard to imagine him changing equipment at this time. He said "one of my spares" or something very similar to that. I think he has a number of the same set. -joseph
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Interesting web page, and I have the same question: Has anyone tried these? Does anyone know what pros played them? I really wonder what the wedges are like. Ted – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found these guys: http://www.forgedgolfheads.com/index.htm It’s a foundry. They boast their products have more than 100 victories in majors, including the last two in 1999… (I’m not involved with them in any way) — Ciao. Marcello RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/franchim.htm If you will, I will toss in somthing that I was told. A couple of months ago I was talking to a Mizuno sales rep and asked him this very question. He said that throughout his college career and up until he signed on with Titlest, Tiger played a mix of Mizuno mp 29 and 14’s. If I recall correctly he said that the long irons, 2 through 5 were the 29’s and the shorter irons were the 14’s. He went on to say that Mizuno irons are forged for them by a Japanese company (Mizuno does not have its own forging plant–according to Golfsmith, only Ping and Callaway have their own plants and all others are manufactured by contract in Japan, China and Korea)and that after Tiger signed up with Titlest, they approached Mizuno with a request to have them okay this Japanese company forging similar blades under the Titlest name and that Mizuno agreed to let it happen. He didn’t know if Mizuno was paid for this or not but he suspects they got something for it. He said further that you will never see an exact duplicate of the Titlest prototype on the market because they are very close copies of the mizuno blade and that copyright issues would exist if they did. Now my son plays Mizuno Mp29’s and at the Western Open I happened to stand where Tiger’s bag was only a couple of feet away and I was able to see his clubs clearly. They indeed look like Mizuno irons with the exception of wording, which in very small lettering says Titlest Prototype. And if you throw in the fact that the KZG blade looks a lot like the Mizuno blade and is reportedly made by the same forger in Japan it makes you wonder if the full story will ever be known. The prototype blades he’s playing were made by Titleist to Tiger’s specifications. Which basically means they’re Mizuno copies (possibly with a tweak or two from the Mizuno design). They *weren’t* made by Mizuno (Mizuno would never make clubs for a player and put someone else’s name on them, thereby foregoing all "credit"). However, it’s not all that uncommon for a company to custom-make a set of irons for a player, crafting them in a fashion similar to the design of a competitor. For instance, in the early ’90s when Payne Stewart had switched from Wilson to Top Flite irons, his game went completely in the tank. Some of you may recall that he had a horrible year (I think it was in ‘93) playing Top Flite’s cavity-back irons that they were so hot on trying to sell (with the "muscle bar" in the back). Stewart played so horribly with them, he actually contemplated quitting the TOUR. Then, he rededicated himself and had Top Flite make a set of Wilson Staff copies. His game rounded into shape, and he won the ‘95 Shell Houston Open. The reason, of course, why Titleist won’t offer the Tiger Woods irons for sale to the public is because doing so would be a copyright infringement. They’d have to change them up. And if you think offering an iron to the public under the auspices of the claim "they’re the clubs Tiger plays," when in fact, they’re not, you should ask Nike whether that’s such a good idea. Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Is he actually using Titleist blades (prototype) as they keep saying or is he actually using Mizuno heads with Titleist stamped on the back. I can’t believe that Titleist would not make these sets available to the public with all of Tiger’s success unless it was for the fact that he isn’t using them????? What is the consensus among those in the know Before you buy.
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Y’know, it’s kind of funny in a way… we’ve all seen the images of Arnold Palmer in his home repair shop regripping or reshafting his clubs. Somehow I can’t quite get that same image in my mind of Tiger at home regripping his clubs or grinding the soles of his clubheads. Although I’m sure he probably does. Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What I heard was that it was an old set he had laying around. My hunch is that they were an extra set of the same clubs. Hard to imagine him changing equipment at this time. He said "one of my spares" or something very similar to that. I think he has a number of the same set. -joseph
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Has anyone ordered from them assembled clubs, or clubheads that they have assembled? If so, how were there products? Thanks, Andrew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found these guys: http://www.forgedgolfheads.com/index.htm It’s a foundry. They boast their products have more than 100 victories in majors, including the last two in 1999… (I’m not involved with them in any way) — Ciao. Marcello RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/franchim.htm If you will, I will toss in somthing that I was told. A couple of months ago I was talking to a Mizuno sales rep and asked him this very question. He said that throughout his college career and up until he signed on with Titlest, Tiger played a mix of Mizuno mp 29 and 14’s. If I recall correctly he said that the long irons, 2 through 5 were the 29’s and the shorter irons were the 14’s. He went on to say that Mizuno irons are forged for them by a Japanese company (Mizuno does not have its own forging plant–according to Golfsmith, only Ping and Callaway have their own plants and all others are manufactured by contract in Japan, China and Korea)and that after Tiger signed up with Titlest, they approached Mizuno with a request to have them okay this Japanese company forging similar blades under the Titlest name and that Mizuno agreed to let it happen. He didn’t know if Mizuno was paid for this or not but he suspects they got something for it. He said further that you will never see an exact duplicate of the Titlest prototype on the market because they are very close copies of the mizuno blade and that copyright issues would exist if they did. Now my son plays Mizuno Mp29’s and at the Western Open I happened to stand where Tiger’s bag was only a couple of feet away and I was able to see his clubs clearly. They indeed look like Mizuno irons with the exception of wording, which in very small lettering says Titlest Prototype. And if you throw in the fact that the KZG blade looks a lot like the Mizuno blade and is reportedly made by the same forger in Japan it makes you wonder if the full story will ever be known. The prototype blades he’s playing were made by Titleist to Tiger’s specifications. Which basically means they’re Mizuno copies (possibly with a tweak or two from the Mizuno design). They *weren’t* made by Mizuno (Mizuno would never make clubs for a player and put someone else’s name on them, thereby foregoing all "credit"). However, it’s not all that uncommon for a company to custom-make a set of irons for a player, crafting them in a fashion similar to the design of a competitor. For instance, in the early ’90s when Payne Stewart had switched from Wilson to Top Flite irons, his game went completely in the tank. Some of you may recall that he had a horrible year (I think it was in ‘93) playing Top Flite’s cavity- back irons that they were so hot on trying to sell (with the "muscle bar" in the back). Stewart played so horribly with them, he actually contemplated quitting the TOUR. Then, he rededicated himself and had Top Flite make a set of Wilson Staff copies. His game rounded into shape, and he won the ‘95 Shell Houston Open. The reason, of course, why Titleist won’t offer the Tiger Woods irons for sale to the public is because doing so would be a copyright infringement. They’d have to change them up. And if you think offering an iron to the public under the auspices of the claim "they’re the clubs Tiger plays," when in fact, they’re not, you should ask Nike whether that’s such a good idea. Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Is he actually using Titleist blades (prototype) as they keep saying or is he actually using Mizuno heads with Titleist stamped on the back. I can’t believe that Titleist would not make these sets available to the public with all of Tiger’s success unless it was for the fact that he isn’t using them????? What is the consensus among those in the know Before you buy.
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What I heard was that it was an old set he had laying around. My hunch is that they were an extra set of the same clubs. Hard to imagine him changing equipment at this time. Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What I’m curious about is WHOSE clubs did he put in last week. Sine he and Titleist part ways he isn’t under contract to play anyone’s clubs anymore, he can play whatever irons and woods he wants. He definitely was playing his Titleist driver and 3 metal. But are the new irons a spare set of the Titleist he had in the cupboard or did he stick in a new set of Mizunos? I certainly wouldn’t argue with you guys on this. But whatever irons Tiger was playing thru the PGA Championship, he "retired" them after the round against Bob May. He put another set of clubs in his bag in time for the NEC in Akron. Says the grooves were worn out on the old set. It’s always amazed me at how the percussion mark on pros’ clubs is so definable and so small. As opposed to some of us, who have worn out the hosels on our clubs. 
Randy — Dan Driscoll Current USGA Handicap Index – 14.7 RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/driscolld.htm Keep Usenet Clean, Trash a Spammer!
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What I heard was that it was an old set he had laying around. My hunch is that they were an extra set of the same clubs. Hard to imagine him changing equipment at this time.
He said "one of my spares" or something very similar to that. I think he has a number of the same set. -joseph
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I had understood that the Chinese factories did castings and not forgings. I may be wrong. Andrew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you will, I will toss in somthing that I was told. A couple of months ago I was talking to a Mizuno sales rep and asked him this very question. He said that throughout his college career and up until he signed on with Titlest, Tiger played a mix of Mizuno mp 29 and 14’s. If I recall correctly he said that the long irons, 2 through 5 were the 29’s and the shorter irons were the 14’s. He went on to say that Mizuno irons are forged for them by a Japanese company (Mizuno does not have its own forging plant–according to Golfsmith, only Ping and Callaway have their own plants and all others are manufactured by contract in Japan, China and Korea)and that after Tiger signed up with Titlest, they approached Mizuno with a request to have them okay this Japanese company forging similar blades under the Titlest name and that Mizuno agreed to let it happen. He didn’t know if Mizuno was paid for this or not but he suspects they got something for it. He said further that you will never see an exact duplicate of the Titlest prototype on the market because they are very close copies of the mizuno blade and that copyright issues would exist if they did. Now my son plays Mizuno Mp29’s and at the Western Open I happened to stand where Tiger’s bag was only a couple of feet away and I was able to see his clubs clearly. They indeed look like Mizuno irons with the exception of wording, which in very small lettering says Titlest Prototype. And if you throw in the fact that the KZG blade looks a lot like the Mizuno blade and is reportedly made by the same forger in Japan it makes you wonder if the full story will ever be known. The prototype blades he’s playing were made by Titleist to Tiger’s specifications. Which basically means they’re Mizuno copies (possibly with a tweak or two from the Mizuno design). They *weren’t* made by Mizuno (Mizuno would never make clubs for a player and put someone else’s name on them, thereby foregoing all "credit"). However, it’s not all that uncommon for a company to custom-make a set of irons for a player, crafting them in a fashion similar to the design of a competitor. For instance, in the early ’90s when Payne Stewart had switched from Wilson to Top Flite irons, his game went completely in the tank. Some of you may recall that he had a horrible year (I think it was in ‘93) playing Top Flite’s cavity- back irons that they were so hot on trying to sell (with the "muscle bar" in the back). Stewart played so horribly with them, he actually contemplated quitting the TOUR. Then, he rededicated himself and had Top Flite make a set of Wilson Staff copies. His game rounded into shape, and he won the ‘95 Shell Houston Open. The reason, of course, why Titleist won’t offer the Tiger Woods irons for sale to the public is because doing so would be a copyright infringement. They’d have to change them up. And if you think offering an iron to the public under the auspices of the claim "they’re the clubs Tiger plays," when in fact, they’re not, you should ask Nike whether that’s such a good idea. Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Is he actually using Titleist blades (prototype) as they keep saying or is he actually using Mizuno heads with Titleist stamped on the back. I can’t believe that Titleist would not make these sets available to the public with all of Tiger’s success unless it was for the fact that he isn’t using them????? What is the consensus among those in the know Before you buy.
Before you buy.
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What I’m curious about is WHOSE clubs did he put in last week. Sine he and Titleist part ways he isn’t under contract to play anyone’s clubs anymore, he can play whatever irons and woods he wants. He definitely was playing his Titleist driver and 3 metal. But are the new irons a spare set of the Titleist he had in the cupboard or did he stick in a new set of Mizunos? I certainly wouldn’t argue with you guys on this. But whatever irons Tiger was playing thru the PGA Championship, he "retired" them after the round against Bob May. He put another set of clubs in his bag in time for the NEC in Akron. Says the grooves were worn out on the old set. It’s always amazed me at how the percussion mark on pros’ clubs is so definable and so small. As opposed to some of us, who have worn out the hosels on our clubs. :-) Randy
– Dan Driscoll Current USGA Handicap Index – 14.7 RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/driscolld.htm Keep Usenet Clean, Trash a Spammer!
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Thanks for not saying the s word! Brad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I certainly wouldn’t argue with you guys on this. But whatever irons Tiger was playing thru the PGA Championship, he "retired" them after the round against Bob May. He put another set of clubs in his bag in time for the NEC in Akron. Says the grooves were worn out on the old set. It’s always amazed me at how the percussion mark on pros’ clubs is so definable and so small. As opposed to some of us, who have worn out the hosels on our clubs. :-) Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Thats about the same I’ve heard except— The forger is Mura or Mira–I forget the spelling. I believe they also forge the Mizuno clubs. They are for sale now in Japan only–3000 total sets at $2500.00 Each one numbered. Brad G If you will, I will toss in somthing that I was told. A couple of months ago I was talking to a Mizuno sales rep and asked him this very question. He said that throughout his college career and up until he signed on with Titlest, Tiger played a mix of Mizuno mp 29 and 14’s. If I recall correctly he said that the long irons, 2 through 5 were the 29’s and the shorter irons were the 14’s. He went on to say that Mizuno irons are forged for them by a Japanese company (Mizuno does not have its own forging plant–according to Golfsmith, only Ping and Callaway have their own plants and all others are manufactured by contract in Japan, China and Korea)and that after Tiger signed up with Titlest, they approached Mizuno with a request to have them okay this Japanese company forging similar blades under the Titlest name and that Mizuno agreed to let it happen. He didn’t know if Mizuno was paid for this or not but he suspects they got something for it. He said further that you will never see an exact duplicate of the Titlest prototype on the market because they are very close copies of the mizuno blade and that copyright issues would exist if they did. Now my son plays Mizuno Mp29’s and at the Western Open I happened to stand where Tiger’s bag was only a couple of feet away and I was able to see his clubs clearly. They indeed look like Mizuno irons with the exception of wording, which in very small lettering says Titlest Prototype. And if you throw in the fact that the KZG blade looks a lot like the Mizuno blade and is reportedly made by the same forger in Japan it makes you wonder if the full story will ever be known. The prototype blades he’s playing were made by Titleist to Tiger’s specifications. Which basically means they’re Mizuno copies (possibly with a tweak or two from the Mizuno design). They *weren’t* made by Mizuno (Mizuno would never make clubs for a player and put someone else’s name on them, thereby foregoing all "credit"). However, it’s not all that uncommon for a company to custom-make a set of irons for a player, crafting them in a fashion similar to the design of a competitor. For instance, in the early ’90s when Payne Stewart had switched from Wilson to Top Flite irons, his game went completely in the tank. Some of you may recall that he had a horrible year (I think it was in ‘93) playing Top Flite’s cavity-back irons that they were so hot on trying to sell (with the "muscle bar" in the back). Stewart played so horribly with them, he actually contemplated quitting the TOUR. Then, he rededicated himself and had Top Flite make a set of Wilson Staff copies. His game rounded into shape, and he won the ‘95 Shell Houston Open. The reason, of course, why Titleist won’t offer the Tiger Woods irons for sale to the public is because doing so would be a copyright infringement. They’d have to change them up. And if you think offering an iron to the public under the auspices of the claim "they’re the clubs Tiger plays," when in fact, they’re not, you should ask Nike whether that’s such a good idea. Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Is he actually using Titleist blades (prototype) as they keep saying or is he actually using Mizuno heads with Titleist stamped on the back. I can’t believe that Titleist would not make these sets available to the public with all of Tiger’s success unless it was for the fact that he isn’t using them????? What is the consensus among those in the know Before you buy.
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Plenty of golfers could hit the same iron Tiger plays. The reason they are not on the market has to do with economics, not physics…
It’s both, but more importantly the physics are the reason for the economics of the situation. If you gave a 20-25 HCP player 10 rounds with a set of Titleist DCI oversize + irons and 10 rounds with a set of Mizuno MP-29s, what do you think the results would be? This player would have major consistency problems–& higher scores (playing the MP-29s) with the mid and long irons, perhaps even problems with the short irons. Here’s another item that alot of people don’t take into consideration. Most O/S cavity back irons that are designed for the masses have bounce angles that help the player from digging the club into the ground and hitting a poor shot. These bounce angles are generally 1* (3-5), 2* (6-8), 3* (9-iron), and 4* (PW). However, many compact clubs and blades that the pros hit have flat bounce angles or even negative bounce angles, which allow the player to ground the leading edge and take a divot when desired (Tiger takes a huge divot on many shots).
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Titelist could certainly produce, or have produced, a set of Titelist Tiger Grind forged irons. They wouldn’t have to look exactly like Mizunos (I mean, forged muscle-back clubheads all look pretty similar). And no one would care how "playable" the clubs are. People who never even golfed before — and perhaps have no intention of golfing — would buy them up like hotcakes. Maybe Titelist signed an agreement with Mizuno that said Titleist wouldn’t sell any "Tiger" clubs for a certain length of time, in return for the Mizuno design? Before you buy.
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I certainly wouldn’t argue with you guys on this. But whatever irons Tiger was playing thru the PGA Championship, he "retired" them after the round against Bob May. He put another set of clubs in his bag in time for the NEC in Akron. Says the grooves were worn out on the old set. It’s always amazed me at how the percussion mark on pros’ clubs is so definable and so small. As opposed to some of us, who have worn out the hosels on our clubs. :-) Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thats about the same I’ve heard except— The forger is Mura or Mira–I forget the spelling. I believe they also forge the Mizuno clubs. They are for sale now in Japan only–3000 total sets at $2500.00 Each one numbered. Brad G If you will, I will toss in somthing that I was told. A couple of months ago I was talking to a Mizuno sales rep and asked him this very question. He said that throughout his college career and up until he signed on with Titlest, Tiger played a mix of Mizuno mp 29 and 14’s. If I recall correctly he said that the long irons, 2 through 5 were the 29’s and the shorter irons were the 14’s. He went on to say that Mizuno irons are forged for them by a Japanese company (Mizuno does not have its own forging plant–according to Golfsmith, only Ping and Callaway have their own plants and all others are manufactured by contract in Japan, China and Korea)and that after Tiger signed up with Titlest, they approached Mizuno with a request to have them okay this Japanese company forging similar blades under the Titlest name and that Mizuno agreed to let it happen. He didn’t know if Mizuno was paid for this or not but he suspects they got something for it. He said further that you will never see an exact duplicate of the Titlest prototype on the market because they are very close copies of the mizuno blade and that copyright issues would exist if they did. Now my son plays Mizuno Mp29’s and at the Western Open I happened to stand where Tiger’s bag was only a couple of feet away and I was able to see his clubs clearly. They indeed look like Mizuno irons with the exception of wording, which in very small lettering says Titlest Prototype. And if you throw in the fact that the KZG blade looks a lot like the Mizuno blade and is reportedly made by the same forger in Japan it makes you wonder if the full story will ever be known. The prototype blades he’s playing were made by Titleist to Tiger’s specifications. Which basically means they’re Mizuno copies (possibly with a tweak or two from the Mizuno design). They *weren’t* made by Mizuno (Mizuno would never make clubs for a player and put someone else’s name on them, thereby foregoing all "credit"). However, it’s not all that uncommon for a company to custom-make a set of irons for a player, crafting them in a fashion similar to the design of a competitor. For instance, in the early ’90s when Payne Stewart had switched from Wilson to Top Flite irons, his game went completely in the tank. Some of you may recall that he had a horrible year (I think it was in ‘93) playing Top Flite’s cavity-back irons that they were so hot on trying to sell (with the "muscle bar" in the back). Stewart played so horribly with them, he actually contemplated quitting the TOUR. Then, he rededicated himself and had Top Flite make a set of Wilson Staff copies. His game rounded into shape, and he won the ‘95 Shell Houston Open. The reason, of course, why Titleist won’t offer the Tiger Woods irons for sale to the public is because doing so would be a copyright infringement. They’d have to change them up. And if you think offering an iron to the public under the auspices of the claim "they’re the clubs Tiger plays," when in fact, they’re not, you should ask Nike whether that’s such a good idea. Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Is he actually using Titleist blades (prototype) as they keep saying or is he actually using Mizuno heads with Titleist stamped on the back. I can’t believe that Titleist would not make these sets available to the public with all of Tiger’s success unless it was for the fact that he isn’t using them????? What is the consensus among those in the know Before you buy.
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I found these guys: http://www.forgedgolfheads.com/index.htm It’s a foundry. They boast their products have more than 100 victories in majors, including the last two in 1999… (I’m not involved with them in any way) — Ciao. Marcello RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/franchim.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you will, I will toss in somthing that I was told. A couple of months ago I was talking to a Mizuno sales rep and asked him this very question. He said that throughout his college career and up until he signed on with Titlest, Tiger played a mix of Mizuno mp 29 and 14’s. If I recall correctly he said that the long irons, 2 through 5 were the 29’s and the shorter irons were the 14’s. He went on to say that Mizuno irons are forged for them by a Japanese company (Mizuno does not have its own forging plant–according to Golfsmith, only Ping and Callaway have their own plants and all others are manufactured by contract in Japan, China and Korea)and that after Tiger signed up with Titlest, they approached Mizuno with a request to have them okay this Japanese company forging similar blades under the Titlest name and that Mizuno agreed to let it happen. He didn’t know if Mizuno was paid for this or not but he suspects they got something for it. He said further that you will never see an exact duplicate of the Titlest prototype on the market because they are very close copies of the mizuno blade and that copyright issues would exist if they did. Now my son plays Mizuno Mp29’s and at the Western Open I happened to stand where Tiger’s bag was only a couple of feet away and I was able to see his clubs clearly. They indeed look like Mizuno irons with the exception of wording, which in very small lettering says Titlest Prototype. And if you throw in the fact that the KZG blade looks a lot like the Mizuno blade and is reportedly made by the same forger in Japan it makes you wonder if the full story will ever be known. The prototype blades he’s playing were made by Titleist to Tiger’s specifications. Which basically means they’re Mizuno copies (possibly with a tweak or two from the Mizuno design). They *weren’t* made by Mizuno (Mizuno would never make clubs for a player and put someone else’s name on them, thereby foregoing all "credit"). However, it’s not all that uncommon for a company to custom-make a set of irons for a player, crafting them in a fashion similar to the design of a competitor. For instance, in the early ’90s when Payne Stewart had switched from Wilson to Top Flite irons, his game went completely in the tank. Some of you may recall that he had a horrible year (I think it was in ‘93) playing Top Flite’s cavity-back irons that they were so hot on trying to sell (with the "muscle bar" in the back). Stewart played so horribly with them, he actually contemplated quitting the TOUR. Then, he rededicated himself and had Top Flite make a set of Wilson Staff copies. His game rounded into shape, and he won the ‘95 Shell Houston Open. The reason, of course, why Titleist won’t offer the Tiger Woods irons for sale to the public is because doing so would be a copyright infringement. They’d have to change them up. And if you think offering an iron to the public under the auspices of the claim "they’re the clubs Tiger plays," when in fact, they’re not, you should ask Nike whether that’s such a good idea. Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Is he actually using Titleist blades (prototype) as they keep saying or is he actually using Mizuno heads with Titleist stamped on the back. I can’t believe that Titleist would not make these sets available to the public with all of Tiger’s success unless it was for the fact that he isn’t using them????? What is the consensus among those in the know Before you buy.
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Thats about the same I’ve heard except— The forger is Mura or Mira–I forget the spelling. I believe they also forge the Mizuno clubs. They are for sale now in Japan only–3000 total sets at $2500.00 Each one numbered. Brad G – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you will, I will toss in somthing that I was told. A couple of months ago I was talking to a Mizuno sales rep and asked him this very question. He said that throughout his college career and up until he signed on with Titlest, Tiger played a mix of Mizuno mp 29 and 14’s. If I recall correctly he said that the long irons, 2 through 5 were the 29’s and the shorter irons were the 14’s. He went on to say that Mizuno irons are forged for them by a Japanese company (Mizuno does not have its own forging plant–according to Golfsmith, only Ping and Callaway have their own plants and all others are manufactured by contract in Japan, China and Korea)and that after Tiger signed up with Titlest, they approached Mizuno with a request to have them okay this Japanese company forging similar blades under the Titlest name and that Mizuno agreed to let it happen. He didn’t know if Mizuno was paid for this or not but he suspects they got something for it. He said further that you will never see an exact duplicate of the Titlest prototype on the market because they are very close copies of the mizuno blade and that copyright issues would exist if they did. Now my son plays Mizuno Mp29’s and at the Western Open I happened to stand where Tiger’s bag was only a couple of feet away and I was able to see his clubs clearly. They indeed look like Mizuno irons with the exception of wording, which in very small lettering says Titlest Prototype. And if you throw in the fact that the KZG blade looks a lot like the Mizuno blade and is reportedly made by the same forger in Japan it makes you wonder if the full story will ever be known. The prototype blades he’s playing were made by Titleist to Tiger’s specifications. Which basically means they’re Mizuno copies (possibly with a tweak or two from the Mizuno design). They *weren’t* made by Mizuno (Mizuno would never make clubs for a player and put someone else’s name on them, thereby foregoing all "credit"). However, it’s not all that uncommon for a company to custom-make a set of irons for a player, crafting them in a fashion similar to the design of a competitor. For instance, in the early ’90s when Payne Stewart had switched from Wilson to Top Flite irons, his game went completely in the tank. Some of you may recall that he had a horrible year (I think it was in ‘93) playing Top Flite’s cavity-back irons that they were so hot on trying to sell (with the "muscle bar" in the back). Stewart played so horribly with them, he actually contemplated quitting the TOUR. Then, he rededicated himself and had Top Flite make a set of Wilson Staff copies. His game rounded into shape, and he won the ‘95 Shell Houston Open. The reason, of course, why Titleist won’t offer the Tiger Woods irons for sale to the public is because doing so would be a copyright infringement. They’d have to change them up. And if you think offering an iron to the public under the auspices of the claim "they’re the clubs Tiger plays," when in fact, they’re not, you should ask Nike whether that’s such a good idea. Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Is he actually using Titleist blades (prototype) as they keep saying or is he actually using Mizuno heads with Titleist stamped on the back. I can’t believe that Titleist would not make these sets available to the public with all of Tiger’s success unless it was for the fact that he isn’t using them????? What is the consensus among those in the know Before you buy.
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If you will, I will toss in somthing that I was told. A couple of months ago I was talking to a Mizuno sales rep and asked him this very question. He said that throughout his college career and up until he signed on with Titlest, Tiger played a mix of Mizuno mp 29 and 14’s. If I recall correctly he said that the long irons, 2 through 5 were the 29’s and the shorter irons were the 14’s. He went on to say that Mizuno irons are forged for them by a Japanese company (Mizuno does not have its own forging plant–according to Golfsmith, only Ping and Callaway have their own plants and all others are manufactured by contract in Japan, China and Korea)and that after Tiger signed up with Titlest, they approached Mizuno with a request to have them okay this Japanese company forging similar blades under the Titlest name and that Mizuno agreed to let it happen. He didn’t know if Mizuno was paid for this or not but he suspects they got something for it. He said further that you will never see an exact duplicate of the Titlest prototype on the market because they are very close copies of the mizuno blade and that copyright issues would exist if they did. Now my son plays Mizuno Mp29’s and at the Western Open I happened to stand where Tiger’s bag was only a couple of feet away and I was able to see his clubs clearly. They indeed look like Mizuno irons with the exception of wording, which in very small lettering says Titlest Prototype. And if you throw in the fact that the KZG blade looks a lot like the Mizuno blade and is reportedly made by the same forger in Japan it makes you wonder if the full story will ever be known. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The prototype blades he’s playing were made by Titleist to Tiger’s specifications. Which basically means they’re Mizuno copies (possibly with a tweak or two from the Mizuno design). They *weren’t* made by Mizuno (Mizuno would never make clubs for a player and put someone else’s name on them, thereby foregoing all "credit"). However, it’s not all that uncommon for a company to custom-make a set of irons for a player, crafting them in a fashion similar to the design of a competitor. For instance, in the early ’90s when Payne Stewart had switched from Wilson to Top Flite irons, his game went completely in the tank. Some of you may recall that he had a horrible year (I think it was in ‘93) playing Top Flite’s cavity-back irons that they were so hot on trying to sell (with the "muscle bar" in the back). Stewart played so horribly with them, he actually contemplated quitting the TOUR. Then, he rededicated himself and had Top Flite make a set of Wilson Staff copies. His game rounded into shape, and he won the ‘95 Shell Houston Open. The reason, of course, why Titleist won’t offer the Tiger Woods irons for sale to the public is because doing so would be a copyright infringement. They’d have to change them up. And if you think offering an iron to the public under the auspices of the claim "they’re the clubs Tiger plays," when in fact, they’re not, you should ask Nike whether that’s such a good idea. Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile:
http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Is he actually using Titleist blades (prototype) as they keep saying or is he actually using Mizuno heads with Titleist stamped on the back. I can’t believe that Titleist would not make these sets available to the public with all of Tiger’s success unless it was for the fact that he isn’t using them????? What is the consensus among those in the know
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Is he actually using Titleist blades (prototype) as they keep saying or is he actually using Mizuno heads with Titleist stamped on the back. I can’t believe that Titleist would not make these sets available to the public with all of Tiger’s success unless it was for the fact that he isn’t using them????? What is the consensus among those in the know
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OKay now think abut it… How much sense would it make for Tiger to be carrying a set of irons that says Titleist on them when they arent even produced by Mizuno? I think it has really gotten misconstrued that Tiger plays irons that are copy’s of Mizunos. If its true, tehn every single forged muscleback is a ripoff of Mizuno. But yes, Tiger plays Titleist prototype blades. They are not availible to the public for the same reason the ball he plays isnt on the market…No one can create the same launch conditions as Tiger.
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They relly are titleist proto’s. If you will remember, the 990’s were proto’s, as were the 962’s. Tiger is also using a proto wedge. Titleist knows what they are doing. When, and if it is deemed to be ime, they will be released. Is he actually using Titleist blades (prototype) as they keep saying or is he actually using Mizuno heads with Titleist stamped on the back. I can’t believe that Titleist would not make these sets available to the public with all of Tiger’s success unless it was for the fact that he isn’t using them????? What is the consensus among those in the know
Before you buy.
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Plenty of golfers could hit the same iron Tiger plays. The reason they are not on the market has to do with economics, not physics… Stuart Winsor
<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But yes, Tiger plays Titleist prototype blades. They are not availible to the public for the same reason the ball he plays isnt on the market…No one can create the same launch conditions as Tiger.
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The prototype blades he’s playing were made by Titleist to Tiger’s specifications. Which basically means they’re Mizuno copies (possibly with a tweak or two from the Mizuno design). They *weren’t* made by Mizuno (Mizuno would never make clubs for a player and put someone else’s name on them, thereby foregoing all "credit"). However, it’s not all that uncommon for a company to custom-make a set of irons for a player, crafting them in a fashion similar to the design of a competitor. For instance, in the early ’90s when Payne Stewart had switched from Wilson to Top Flite irons, his game went completely in the tank. Some of you may recall that he had a horrible year (I think it was in ‘93) playing Top Flite’s cavity-back irons that they were so hot on trying to sell (with the "muscle bar" in the back). Stewart played so horribly with them, he actually contemplated quitting the TOUR. Then, he rededicated himself and had Top Flite make a set of Wilson Staff copies. His game rounded into shape, and he won the ‘95 Shell Houston Open. The reason, of course, why Titleist won’t offer the Tiger Woods irons for sale to the public is because doing so would be a copyright infringement. They’d have to change them up. And if you think offering an iron to the public under the auspices of the claim "they’re the clubs Tiger plays," when in fact, they’re not, you should ask Nike whether that’s such a good idea. Randy My golf website: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My real-life website: http://www.goldenbrownvo.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is he actually using Titleist blades (prototype) as they keep saying or is he actually using Mizuno heads with Titleist stamped on the back. I can’t believe that Titleist would not make these sets available to the public with all of Tiger’s success unless it was for the fact that he isn’t using them????? What is the consensus among those in the know