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<SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA’AM says… <snip And I think they’re just flat-out the best ball going with the putter. Love the feel. I’m gonna disagree here. The best putting ball out there is the Strata Tour Ultimate. It’s the sole reason I use that ball. It’s the truest rolling ball I have ever seen and feel wise, it’s more than adequate.
I strongly agree about the TU. If it wasn’t so much shorter than the Titleist balls I’d use it. -WG
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Damn good name you have there! -Harlan (the other one)
Yeah, but I think I’m the only one east of the Mississippi! It seems most other guys carrying the name are in Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska. Harlan (thought I was the other one!)
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<SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA’AM says… <snip And I think they’re just flat-out the best ball going with the putter. Love the feel.
I’m gonna disagree here. The best putting ball out there is the Strata Tour Ultimate. It’s the sole reason I use that ball. It’s the truest rolling ball I have ever seen and feel wise, it’s more than adequate. Wayne
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For those of you who have wondered, I’ll give my totally subjective opinion regarding the Pro V1. For reference, my normal ball is the Precept Extra Spin, my driver carry distance tops out at around 250 yards and my 7-iron carry is about 150 yards. Driver, fairway woods The Pro V1 seemed to have a high flat trajectory. I didn’t see any kind of large distance gain; my drives were within what I would call normal. Long and medium irons I saw no difference between the Pro V1 and my normal shots. Short irons The Pro V1 spins quite a bit off the short irons. I hit a 9-iron out of a divot that backed up 25 feet once it hit the green. The trajectory is a little funky; it almost looks like it "floats" to the target. A little difficult to control. Short game (chipping and putting) Here is the big gripe against this ball. I never got the feel around the greens I get with my normal ball. I consistently hit chip shots and putts by the hole. I had seven (!) three-putt greens, over 40 putts total. I would bet it’s the worst I’ve putted in at least 10 years. Final assessment The ball is not worth the hype to me. The Precept Extra Spin is a better ball at half the price. David R. Beatty
Most people I know were initially disappointed with the performance of the Pro V1, myself included. After several rounds though, it has become my favourite ball (always played Revolutions before, and still prefer them on the green). As long as you drive down the seam, and hit high spin shots across the seam, the ball really does perform, IMO.
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Damn good name you have there! -Harlan (the other one) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kinda depends on the loft of the 7 iron, doesn’t it!? Sure, but it’s not even in the right ballpark, it seems to me. Jeff, I suspect it is a highly personal thing. You may hit a 7 iron 170 yards, but there are a helluva lot of us who hit it 145 – 155 (carry). In fact, I count on 150 carry on my 7 iron, but on a good drive I’ll get 250 on level ground with the driver. I don’t hit the 7 as hard as I hit the driver though. YMMV and it probably does! Harlan .
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there are a helluva lot of us who hit it 145 – 155 (carry). In fact, I count on 150 carry on my 7 iron,
and there are a helluva lot of us for whom 150 yards carry with 7I is beyond wildest dreams 
I only expect to hit 125-135 yards with my 7I. (there must be something wrong with that club 
but on a good drive I’ll get 250 on level ground with the driver.
… and my longest drive has been around 240 yards (carry). My USUAL drive is ~190-200 yards long and ~60-70 yards wide. I believe I need some driving practice next summer, last summer I managed to play some decent rounds (for me) with 3W (max 210 yds, expect 180-190 yds) and 4I (max 170 yds, expect 155-160 yds) from the tee. Back to the subject – I do not want to use big money on golf balls, I lost about 1 ball per day (most of my rounds were just 9 holes) last summer into the ponds and woods of Sankivaara, my home course in Oulu, Finland. There are plenty of experienced golf balls for sale there Cheers, -M-
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Personal experience, plus the other 5-6 guys I play with suggest that this is *the* ball….ignoring the high price, since it lasts more than 18 holes….why play anything else.
It does? You mean if I play it, it won’t get lost!
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Kinda depends on the loft of the 7 iron, doesn’t it!? Sure, but it’s not even in the right ballpark, it seems to me.
Jeff, My distances aren’t all that different (10 yds shorter for each club). In my case it’s a combination of using a 400 cc driver on an A flex shaft and a 7 iron with the most extreme perimeter weighting known to man (Ping Zing2) on a very stiff shaft. Kenny — Kenny Stultz RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/stultzk.htm
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And I think they’re just flat-out the best ball going with the putter. Love the feel. —
They do feel good around the green. My problem with them is that they don’t feel good around the wallet. — Kenny Stultz RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/stultzk.htm
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You read the various posts on golf balls. Consider the fact that the posters still shoot the same scores as when they used "the" ball of the last "generation" of balls…and wonder…… Ramble on all you want. I still like a good wound ball because I can work the thing, especially around the green. I cannot work the ProV1 all that well.
This is my one complaint about the ProV1 compared to my other favorite ball, the Callaway Rule 35 Blue. I can make that Rule 35 dance around the green, I have all manner of interesting short-game shots I can do with it. I simply cannot do the same things with the ProV1. While it’s a very good ball generally, I simply don’t have the control w/ it that I have with the Rule 35. Now, having said that, I also have noticed an interesting thing about the ProV1. Every time I have broken 80 since July (4 or 5 times), it’s been w/ a ProV1. I have to adjust my short game somewhat if I play the ProV1. When I’ve played other balls, such as the Rule 35 Red, no breaking of 80. Interestingly, I like the trajectory of the ProV1 a lot. It seems to work better for me in most other aspects of the game besides very short shots. I tried looking for a ball between the ProV1 and the R35 Blue. Spent a lot of time hitting the Rule 35 Red, but for whatever reason, it doesn’t seem to perform as well as either of the others. Mike Mike Dalecki RSG-Wisconsin 2002 Info http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2002 I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean! Web Site: http://www.dalecki.net/clubdoctor/ RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/daleckim.htm
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. (best price recently seen on Pro V practice balls – 29.00/doz in Charleston, SC)
Check out Fiddlers Green, new ones for $34.99
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This seems similar to my shot profile. I’m not sure if I carry a driver 250, but my normal drive is 260-270. 3 wood about 230. 7 iron 150. I do seem to hit the ball very high. With my woods this doesn’t lose me any distance, but I suspect it does with with irons. I guess my swing must be quite steep. I put a load of backspin on iron shots and cut the covers on most of them (Pro V1 is probably the worst in this regard). I like the distance of the Pro V1, but my iron shots just shoot up in the air and zip back at least 10 feet when they land. I had a situation recently where the Pro V1 stopped me hitting a normal shot. I was practicing wedges to a green that sloped up to the flag then down after the flag. I hit a few shots with a normal ball (Maxfli Tour Patriot). They pitched pin high and stopped dead. The Pro V1 shots pitched by the flag then spun back off the green. If I hit a longer club to get past the flag, the ball landed on the downslope and bounced off the back. Ideally I’d like something that performs like a Pro V1 around the green and like a Top Flite XXXL rock off the tee. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forget the Pro-V1. I’m more concerned about how you can carry the driver 250 and only carry a 7-iron 150. Most people who can fly a drive 250 can probably carry a 7-iron at least 170.
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Kinda depends on the loft of the 7 iron, doesn’t it!? Sure, but it’s not even in the right ballpark, it seems to me.
Jeff, I suspect it is a highly personal thing. You may hit a 7 iron 170 yards, but there are a helluva lot of us who hit it 145 – 155 (carry). In fact, I count on 150 carry on my 7 iron, but on a good drive I’ll get 250 on level ground with the driver. I don’t hit the 7 as hard as I hit the driver though. YMMV and it probably does! Harlan
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For those of you who have wondered, I’ll give my totally subjective opinion regarding the Pro V1. For reference, my normal ball is the Precept Extra Spin, my driver carry distance tops out at around 250 yards and my 7-iron carry is about 150 yards.
How is it that your driver distance is proportionally so much more than your 7 iron distance?
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Personally I think the best reason to play the Pro V is duarability. 36 holes and it’s neither out of round nor hacked up too much. I cannot tell much difference between the various softer premium balls, as long as it’s not wound I’m comfortable playing it. I enjoyed your comments, however IMO unless it’s Iron Byron hitting the shots I don’t think we can conclude much about the ball flight and trajectory of the Pro V. Regards, Lumpy. (best price recently seen on Pro V practice balls – 29.00/doz in Charleston, SC) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For those of you who have wondered, I’ll give my totally subjective opinion regarding the Pro V1. For reference, my normal ball is the Precept Extra Spin, my driver carry distance tops out at around 250 yards and my 7-iron carry is about 150 yards. Driver, fairway woods The Pro V1 seemed to have a high flat trajectory. I didn’t see any kind of large distance gain; my drives were within what I would call normal. Long and medium irons I saw no difference between the Pro V1 and my normal shots. Short irons The Pro V1 spins quite a bit off the short irons. I hit a 9-iron out of a divot that backed up 25 feet once it hit the green. The trajectory is a little funky; it almost looks like it "floats" to the target. A little difficult to control. Short game (chipping and putting) Here is the big gripe against this ball. I never got the feel around the greens I get with my normal ball. I consistently hit chip shots and putts by the hole. I had seven (!) three-putt greens, over 40 putts total. I would bet it’s the worst I’ve putted in at least 10 years. Final assessment The ball is not worth the hype to me. The Precept Extra Spin is a better ball at half the price. David R. Beatty
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Kinda depends on the loft of the 7 iron, doesn’t it!?
Sure, but it’s not even in the right ballpark, it seems to me.
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The area where you had the most problems with the ball (around the green) is where I find the most benefit from it. I like the feel, and it spins really well, giving me the opportunity to be more aggressive in my chipping (taking more loft and hitting it more crisply, which is the way I prefer to do it). And I think they’re just flat-out the best ball going with the putter. Love the feel. — Randy Randy’s personal play space – www.YouGoGolf.com BOSS AUDIO – www.RandyBrownProductions.com "No matter what happens, someone will take it too seriously." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For those of you who have wondered, I’ll give my totally subjective opinion regarding the Pro V1. For reference, my normal ball is the Precept Extra Spin, my driver carry distance tops out at around 250 yards and my 7-iron carry is about 150 yards. Driver, fairway woods The Pro V1 seemed to have a high flat trajectory. I didn’t see any kind of large distance gain; my drives were within what I would call normal. Long and medium irons I saw no difference between the Pro V1 and my normal shots. Short irons The Pro V1 spins quite a bit off the short irons. I hit a 9-iron out of a divot that backed up 25 feet once it hit the green. The trajectory is a little funky; it almost looks like it "floats" to the target. A little difficult to control. Short game (chipping and putting) Here is the big gripe against this ball. I never got the feel around the greens I get with my normal ball. I consistently hit chip shots and putts by the hole. I had seven (!) three-putt greens, over 40 putts total. I would bet it’s the worst I’ve putted in at least 10 years. Final assessment The ball is not worth the hype to me. The Precept Extra Spin is a better ball at half the price. David R. Beatty
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Also depends on the length of the club. Lower loft = lower trajectory, not necessarily a longer shot. Depends on how you hit it. The longest shots are very high. Rob Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kinda depends on the loft of the 7 iron, doesn’t it!? Harlan For those of you who have wondered, I’ll give my totally subjective opinion regarding the Pro V1. For reference, my normal ball is the Precept Extra Spin, my driver carry distance tops out at around 250 yards and my 7-iron carry is about 150 yards. Forget the Pro-V1. I’m more concerned about how you can carry the driver 250 and only carry a 7-iron 150. Most people who can fly a drive 250 can probably carry a 7-iron at least 170.
– RSG-MS RSG Masters http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS.html
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Kinda depends on the loft of the 7 iron, doesn’t it!? Harlan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For those of you who have wondered, I’ll give my totally subjective opinion regarding the Pro V1. For reference, my normal ball is the Precept Extra Spin, my driver carry distance tops out at around 250 yards and my 7-iron carry is about 150 yards. Forget the Pro-V1. I’m more concerned about how you can carry the driver 250 and only carry a 7-iron 150. Most people who can fly a drive 250 can probably carry a 7-iron at least 170.
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You read the various posts on golf balls. Consider the fact that the posters still shoot the same scores as when they used "the" ball of the last "generation" of balls…and wonder…… Ramble on all you want. I still like a good wound ball because I can work the thing, especially around the green. I cannot work the ProV1 all that well. Maybe in comparision to a rock it is workable, I don’t know. Of course, I can shoot a 78 using balls from the shag bag and an 88 with a Titleist Tour Prestige. It’s all just marketing. If marketing affects your enjoyment of the game, go with this generations hot ball. I personally have a thing about letting hucksters affect my recreation. Bottom line as far as I can see, the ball really makes very little difference to scoring, as evidenced by actual scores over the years. Rob — RSG-MS RSG Masters http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS.html
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For those of you who have wondered, I’ll give my totally subjective opinion regarding the Pro V1. For reference, my normal ball is the Precept Extra Spin, my driver carry distance tops out at around 250 yards and my 7-iron carry is about 150 yards.
Forget the Pro-V1. I’m more concerned about how you can carry the driver 250 and only carry a 7-iron 150. Most people who can fly a drive 250 can probably carry a 7-iron at least 170.
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Again, I had hoped to lurk for a few days, but this one also seems to evoke a response from me. Sorry… For those of you who have wondered, I’ll give my totally subjective opinion regarding the Pro V1. For reference, my normal ball is the Precept Extra Spin, my driver carry distance tops out at around 250 yards and my 7-iron carry is about 150 yards.
Pretty close to what I do with the same clubs, except I usually average 270-280 off the tee with my regular ball, and I hit a 7 iron a little more like 160-165. I normally play Nike Spin Control. BTW, what’s your handicap/average score ? I normally play in the low 80s. I have a HDCP of 12 according to the computer at my club. Driver, fairway woods The Pro V1 seemed to have a high flat trajectory. I didn’t see any kind of large distance gain; my drives were within what I would call normal.
I found four Pro V1s over the course of a round last month at my course, and I started to play the things on a lark. I averaged a 15 yard increase in driver distance from the same flatter trajectory, mostly due to roll, I believe. I have a Big Bertha Warbird 7.5 degree driver. What are you hitting off the tee? I don’t have a fairway wood, as I rely on my 2 iron in place of a 3 wood. See below. Long and medium irons I saw no difference between the Pro V1 and my normal shots.
I normally hit a 2 iron anywhere from 190-200 with the Nike, but I’ve hit several 220+ yard shots with the Pro V1. I like the added distance, but with longer irons I find that I now have a pronounced draw. Perhaps it is due to higher spin on the ball. Short irons The Pro V1 spins quite a bit off the short irons. I hit a 9-iron out of a divot that backed up 25 feet once it hit the green. The trajectory is a little funky; it almost looks like it "floats" to the target. A little difficult to control.
I am backing up 6 and 7 irons, something I have never been able to do before playing this ball. As for the pitch shots from 40 yards in, I find that this ball stops quickly, and I have more problems judging how far it will roll after landing. It is not for those with weak short games, for sure. IMHO. Short game (chipping and putting) Here is the big gripe against this ball. I never got the feel around the greens I get with my normal ball. I consistently hit chip shots and putts by the hole. I had seven (!) three-putt greens, over 40 putts total. I would bet it’s the worst I’ve putted in at least 10 years.
I remember a joke I once heard, and this comment reminds me of it: A teacher once asked a golf pro whether it was spelled P-U-T, or P-U-T-T. He said, "Madam, P-U-T means to place a thing exactly where you want it. P-U-T-T means a vain attempt to do the same with a golf ball." Might I offer Ben Hogan’s advice? Hit your approach shots closer to the hole. It’s a much softer feel ball than anything else I’ve ever played, with the possible exception of the Callaway Blue Rule 35. I did a test with my Nikes, and the Pro V1. Place the balls side by side on the putting green with about 1/2" space between them. Strike the balls with the putter, where you’re making contact with both at the same time. (Yes, I know that you’re not hitting either in the sweet spot of the putter, but this isn’t that sort of test) I suggest doing this on a low-nap carpet, such as outdoor decking carpet, or a very fine rug. You should get the same results as I did. The softer Pro V1 rolled farther than the harder Nike, in my test. I tried this several times, and it seemed to me that the Titleist is much more lively than the Nike. I suspect it is the same for the Precepts you’ve been hitting. Not a very scientific test, but I don’t have an Iron Byron in my garage… Final assessment The ball is not worth the hype to me. The Precept Extra Spin is a better ball at half the price.
Well David, I can see that you might feel this way after only one or two rounds. I have been playing those three I found for about a month, and have managed to post 4 consecutive rounds of 74, 76, 71, & 78 using this ball. I think that’s because it requires a much softer touch around the green. I know that I normally leave the ball much shorter than I want to, but these Pro V1s seem to roll more. I have a weird short game, in that I seem to be too tentative around the greens, and this ball seems like it allows for that. My regular playing partners all have commented on my game suddenly getting so good. They all think I’ve had some lessons or something! LOL! Personally, I *do* think the Titleist Pro V1 is worth the hype. I’ve had first hand experience. Time will tell, however. If I continue to play (until I lose them) the way I have, I should drop to a 7 or 8 handicap by February. I’ll let you all know. Might I suggest that you play the things more, or better yet, let a couple of friends play them, and see what other opinions you get? I would love to play these exclusively but I simply refuse to pay the $6.00 per ball that my pro shop charges. One other thing has come to mind. Could it possibly be that the Hawthorne Effect has come into play here? (No pun intended) It seems to me from the tone of your post that you were prepared not to like the ball. I, on the other hand, was prepared for it to be magic. I think we might have subconsciously acheived the results we did, due to preconcieved notions affecting our play. Opinions? Comments? — Jack The problem with paradigms is: Shift Happens. =+= (To reply to me directly, reverse "oohay")
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For those of you who have wondered, I’ll give my totally subjective opinion regarding the Pro V1. For reference, my normal ball is the Precept Extra Spin, my driver carry distance tops out at around 250 yards and my 7-iron carry is about 150 yards. Driver, fairway woods The Pro V1 seemed to have a high flat trajectory. I didn’t see any kind of large distance gain; my drives were within what I would call normal. Long and medium irons I saw no difference between the Pro V1 and my normal shots. Short irons The Pro V1 spins quite a bit off the short irons. I hit a 9-iron out of a divot that backed up 25 feet once it hit the green. The trajectory is a little funky; it almost looks like it "floats" to the target. A little difficult to control. Short game (chipping and putting) Here is the big gripe against this ball. I never got the feel around the greens I get with my normal ball. I consistently hit chip shots and putts by the hole. I had seven (!) three-putt greens, over 40 putts total. I would bet it’s the worst I’ve putted in at least 10 years. Final assessment The ball is not worth the hype to me. The Precept Extra Spin is a better ball at half the price.
*lol* The Pro V1 is *the* ball for all golfers….One round is not a good assessment to compare it against what you’ve been playing for a long time. Personal experience, plus the other 5-6 guys I play with suggest that this is *the* ball….ignoring the high price, since it lasts more than 18 holes….why play anything else. Make Birdies, it’s easier that way. Mark
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For those of you who have wondered, I’ll give my totally subjective opinion regarding the Pro V1.
<clip We’ve been holding our breath! The ball is not worth the hype to me. The Precept Extra Spin is a better ball at half the price.
My experience is exactly 180 degrees from yours. Have any left over that you want to send to me? ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk
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For those of you who have wondered, I’ll give my totally subjective opinion regarding the Pro V1. For reference, my normal ball is the Precept Extra Spin, my driver carry distance tops out at around 250 yards and my 7-iron carry is about 150 yards. Driver, fairway woods The Pro V1 seemed to have a high flat trajectory. I didn’t see any kind of large distance gain; my drives were within what I would call normal. Long and medium irons I saw no difference between the Pro V1 and my normal shots. Short irons The Pro V1 spins quite a bit off the short irons. I hit a 9-iron out of a divot that backed up 25 feet once it hit the green. The trajectory is a little funky; it almost looks like it "floats" to the target. A little difficult to control. Short game (chipping and putting) Here is the big gripe against this ball. I never got the feel around the greens I get with my normal ball. I consistently hit chip shots and putts by the hole. I had seven (!) three-putt greens, over 40 putts total. I would bet it’s the worst I’ve putted in at least 10 years. Final assessment The ball is not worth the hype to me. The Precept Extra Spin is a better ball at half the price. David R. Beatty