Ping vs Henry-Griffiths vs ???

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I have a bit of a dilemma and I’d appreciate some "guidance" or at least some opinions. I am a complete beginner. I inherited a set of Ping irons (Eye2, orange dot) from my step-son. I had a fitting at local Ping-authorized fitter. He said that the right Ping clubs for me are either Blue or White dot with shafts that are 1" longer than standard. Ping will rebend the heads on the entire set for $20, but they may not be able to bend them enough. The fitting pro said we could make up the difference by using a shaft that is another inch longer. His recommendation was to have them rebent and reshafted ($20/club). For less than $200, I’d have essentially a new set of clubs that are very close to the ideal specs for me. During the fitting, he had me hitting with clubs that are similar to what mine would be after the refit. I was hitting the ball fairly straight with moderate distance — probably 100-130 yards with a 5 iron. The we went on vacation. I have been hitting on the range here and have taken 2 lessons and had a fitting. They use Henry-Griffiths clubs here. It seemed like a more sophisticated system than the Ping. Where Ping had a cart with 30-40 6 irons of various lengths and lie angles, the HG system had easil;y as many shafts and 15-20 heads which he could mix and match as he liked. That is effectively 500-600 combinations. The HG fitting pro had me hit with several shaft/head combinations until he found one that he thought worked for me. Along with a few pointers about setup and follow through, I was hitting the 5 iron will over 150 yards and (I think) on a much better trajectory than with the Pings. Of course, I have had a week of practice on the driving range, a couple of lessons, and 4-5 rounds on the course since the Ping fitting, too. So I can’t be sure of the HG clubs fit better or if I am just better. Anyway, I asked the HG pro whether I should buy new HG clubs ($800) or have the Pings rebent and reshafted ($180). He said that brand new clubs that exactly fit me would best, but that I’d probably get 90% of the benefit by having the Ping’s redone. What do you all think? How do Ping clubs compare to HG? Thanks — Spam sink email address, sorry

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Anyway, I asked the HG pro whether I should buy new HG clubs ($800) or have the Pings rebent and reshafted ($180). He said that brand new clubs that exactly fit me would best, but that I’d probably get 90% of the benefit by having the Ping’s redone. What do you all think? How do Ping clubs compare to HG?

I’d rather have a set of Eye2’s than anything Henry-Griffits sells but that’s just my personal opinion. If the Eye2 heads are not visibly damaged (little nicks and wear marks matter not at all) then having Ping reshaft them and bend them will be absolutely as good as having brand-new clubs in terms of playability. They’ll just look "old" but then again new clubs will look "old" in a couple of years. There’s nothing wrong with the H-G clubs AFAIK but steel-shafted Eye2’s are clubs that a good player can win a major championship with (wasn’t that what Daly used for his PGA?) while at the same time being perfectly suitable for high-handicappers. My point is, don’t hold the age of the Pings against them they’re very nice clubs. Brent Hutto

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PS: I should have added that the Ping fitter said that even after the Pings are rebent and reshafted, they would not be exactly what he would recommend if I were buying new clubs because they can’t bent them quite enough. Also, the HG fitter recommended graphite shafts whereas the reshafted Pings would be steel. The HG pro said that I would need graphite to keep the weight down with the longer shafts. — Spam sink email address, sorry

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Sounds complex. I’ll let you sort that out based on your own needs but I just wanted to put my two cents worth in on the value of Ping Eye2 irons in case you weren’t familiar with them. Brent Hutto

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I don’t care a whit about how they look. They are in good shape, by the way. My ONLY consideration is playability. — Spam sink email address, sorry

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Ping Eye 2s are considered by many to be the best clubs Ping ever made. I thinkl a few pros might still play them. B. J. Wilkinson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have a bit of a dilemma and I’d appreciate some "guidance" or at least some opinions. I am a complete beginner. I inherited a set of Ping irons (Eye2, orange dot) from my step-son. I had a fitting at local Ping-authorized fitter. He said that the right Ping clubs for me are either Blue or White dot with shafts that are 1" longer than standard. Ping will rebend the heads on the entire set for $20, but they may not be able to bend them enough. The fitting pro said we could make up the difference by using a shaft that is another inch longer. His recommendation was to have them rebent and reshafted ($20/club). For less than $200, I’d have essentially a new set of clubs that are very close to the ideal specs for me. During the fitting, he had me hitting with clubs that are similar to what mine would be after the refit. I was hitting the ball fairly straight with moderate distance — probably 100-130 yards with a 5 iron. The we went on vacation. I have been hitting on the range here and have taken 2 lessons and had a fitting. They use Henry-Griffiths clubs here. It seemed like a more sophisticated system than the Ping. Where Ping had a cart with 30-40 6 irons of various lengths and lie angles, the HG system had easil;y as many shafts and 15-20 heads which he could mix and match as he liked. That is effectively 500-600 combinations. The HG fitting pro had me hit with several shaft/head combinations until he found one that he thought worked for me. Along with a few pointers about setup and follow through, I was hitting the 5 iron will over 150 yards and (I think) on a much better trajectory than with the Pings. Of course, I have had a week of practice on the driving range, a couple of lessons, and 4-5 rounds on the course since the Ping fitting, too. So I can’t be sure of the HG clubs fit better or if I am just better. Anyway, I asked the HG pro whether I should buy new HG clubs ($800) or have the Pings rebent and reshafted ($180). He said that brand new clubs that exactly fit me would best, but that I’d probably get 90% of the benefit by having the Ping’s redone. What do you all think? How do Ping clubs compare to HG? Thanks — Spam sink email address, sorry

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Top Spin: There are some people who still maintain that Ping Eye 2 clubs were the best clubs ANYBODY ever made. They were, at the time, the largest selling irons ever, and remain in the bags of some of the world’s best players. My advice would be to NOT let the local Ping-authorized dealer bend them. Send them to Ping at the factory. They bend these things all the time. One thing you should know about Ping clubs. They all come off the assembly line as standard lie "black" dot clubs. So the orange (2-degrees flat) Eye 2s were the same as the 2-degree upright (I don’t know the dot color) when they came off the assembly line. If heated properly, they should be easily bent to whatever position you want them. Lots of local club fitters don’t want to take on the risk of bending clubs more than a couple of degrees, for fear they’ll have to buy your clubs if they break them. But if you send them to the factory, Ping should be able to do whatever is necessary to bend them the way you want them. And if they break them, they’ll replace them. Ping and Callaway are about as good as it gets in the golf business with regard to customer service. Don’t mess with the local guy. Send the clubs to Ping and let them adjust them. They’ll reshaft ‘em, too. However…….a word of caution here. If anybody were to tell me that "another option" is to extend my clubs another inch, that would send up a huge red flag. One inch may not sound like a lot, but in club fitting, extending your clubs another inch is HUGE. It can really affect their playability. Especially if you’re a beginner, you want to play the shortest clubs you can possibly fit into. The longer the club, the harder it is to consistently return it to square to meet the ball. I would strongly urge you to get a second opinion from another club fitter. You may be able to play standard length clubs. Get another opinion. And when the time comes to get the clubs adjusted, send them to Ping. Randy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ping Eye 2s are considered by many to be the best clubs Ping ever made. I thinkl a few pros might still play them. B. J. Wilkinson I have a bit of a dilemma and I’d appreciate some "guidance" or at least some opinions. I am a complete beginner. I inherited a set of Ping irons (Eye2, orange dot) from my step-son. I had a fitting at local Ping-authorized fitter. He said that the right Ping clubs for me are either Blue or White dot with shafts that are 1" longer than standard. Ping will rebend the heads on the entire set for $20, but they may not be able to bend them enough. The fitting pro said we could make up the difference by using a shaft that is another inch longer. His recommendation was to have them rebent and reshafted ($20/club). For less than $200, I’d have essentially a new set of clubs that are very close to the ideal specs for me. During the fitting, he had me hitting with clubs that are similar to what mine would be after the refit. I was hitting the ball fairly straight with moderate distance — probably 100-130 yards with a 5 iron. The we went on vacation. I have been hitting on the range here and have taken 2 lessons and had a fitting. They use Henry-Griffiths clubs here. It seemed like a more sophisticated system than the Ping. Where Ping had a cart with 30-40 6 irons of various lengths and lie angles, the HG system had easil;y as many shafts and 15-20 heads which he could mix and match as he liked. That is effectively 500-600 combinations. The HG fitting pro had me hit with several shaft/head combinations until he found one that he thought worked for me. Along with a few pointers about setup and follow through, I was hitting the 5 iron will over 150 yards and (I think) on a much better trajectory than with the Pings. Of course, I have had a week of practice on the driving range, a couple of lessons, and 4-5 rounds on the course since the Ping fitting, too. So I can’t be sure of the HG clubs fit better or if I am just better. Anyway, I asked the HG pro whether I should buy new HG clubs ($800) or have the Pings rebent and reshafted ($180). He said that brand new clubs that exactly fit me would best, but that I’d probably get 90% of the benefit by having the Ping’s redone. What do you all think? How do Ping clubs compare to HG? Thanks — Spam sink email address, sorry

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There are some people who still maintain that Ping Eye 2 clubs were the best clubs ANYBODY ever made. They were, at the time, the largest selling irons ever, and remain in the bags of some of the world’s best players.

Thats good to know My advice would be to NOT let the local Ping-authorized dealer bend them. Send them to Ping at the factory. They bend these things all the time.

Perhaps I wasn’t clear. I was going to send them to the Ping factory. Even the local guy said to do that. He even gave me a shipping box. However…….a word of caution here. If anybody were to tell me that "another option" is to extend my clubs another inch, that would send up a huge red flag. One inch may not sound like a lot, but in club fitting, extending your clubs another inch is HUGE. It can really affect their playability. Especially if you’re a beginner, you want to play the shortest clubs you can possibly fit into. The longer the club, the harder it is to consistently return it to square to meet the ball. I would strongly urge you to get a second opinion from another club fitter. You may be able to play standard length clubs.

Two different fitters have now told me that I need extra long shafts. — Spam sink email address, sorry

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Somebody has to stick up for HG. I’ve had a set of the classic headed, steel, stiff shafted HGs for 12 years, and I still think they are great. I’ve tried others since then (Top Flights, Hogans, and Callaways), but I keep going back to the HGs. Primarily because once you get used to the weight distribution of HGs, it’s hard to give then up. Also, in my experience HG gives very good service. I was fitted in ‘90 with a 1 iron thru sand wedge and was very pleased with the fit they gave me. After I got them, I went from an 8 to a 3 in about two years. (BTW, I thought their 1 iron was a great driving iron. On shorter courses I would only carry irons.) With advancing age, I have given up the 1-3 irons, and decided two years ago to add an attack wedge (for my set it’s called a strong sand wedge). They still had my measurements and sent me an exact match to my set. DHM

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a bit of a dilemma and I’d appreciate some "guidance" or at least some opinions. I am a complete beginner. I inherited a set of Ping irons (Eye2, orange dot) from my step-son. I had a fitting at local Ping-authorized fitter. He said that the right Ping clubs for me are either Blue or White dot with shafts that are 1" longer than standard. Ping will rebend the heads on the entire set for $20, but they may not be able to bend them enough. The fitting pro said we could make up the difference by using a shaft that is another inch longer. His recommendation was to have them rebent and reshafted ($20/club). For less than $200, I’d have essentially a new set of clubs that are very close to the ideal specs for me. During the fitting, he had me hitting with clubs that are similar to what mine would be after the refit. I was hitting the ball fairly straight with moderate distance — probably 100-130 yards with a 5 iron. The we went on vacation. I have been hitting on the range here and have taken 2 lessons and had a fitting. They use Henry-Griffiths clubs here. It seemed like a more sophisticated system than the Ping. Where Ping had a cart with 30-40 6 irons of various lengths and lie angles, the HG system had easil;y as many shafts and 15-20 heads which he could mix and match as he liked. That is effectively 500-600 combinations. The HG fitting pro had me hit with several shaft/head combinations until he found one that he thought worked for me. Along with a few pointers about setup and follow through, I was hitting the 5 iron will over 150 yards and (I think) on a much better trajectory than with the Pings. Of course, I have had a week of practice on the driving range, a couple of lessons, and 4-5 rounds on the course since the Ping fitting, too. So I can’t be sure of the HG clubs fit better or if I am just better. Anyway, I asked the HG pro whether I should buy new HG clubs ($800) or have the Pings rebent and reshafted ($180). He said that brand new clubs that exactly fit me would best, but that I’d probably get 90% of the benefit by having the Ping’s redone. What do you all think? How do Ping clubs compare to HG? Thanks — Spam sink email address, sorry

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Top Spin, I’m not saying that it’s odd for you to need extra long shafts. Maybe I wasn’t clear. What I was meaning to say is this (I’ll try to be clearer): If a fitter has told you that a certain length shaft with a certain lie is your best fit, that’s fine, whatever it is. But if he then says that as "another option," you might consider going to clubs an inch longer still from that, then that’s where my red flag would go up. You have an optimum fitting. From that, you could certainly go an inch longer (with the appropriate change in lie angle to accommodate that change). But to suggest that it’s an either/or kind of thing, and both would be equally appropriate, would be just wrong. Randy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are some people who still maintain that Ping Eye 2 clubs were the best clubs ANYBODY ever made. They were, at the time, the largest selling irons ever, and remain in the bags of some of the world’s best players. Thats good to know My advice would be to NOT let the local Ping-authorized dealer bend them. Send them to Ping at the factory. They bend these things all the time. Perhaps I wasn’t clear. I was going to send them to the Ping factory. Even the local guy said to do that. He even gave me a shipping box. However…….a word of caution here. If anybody were to tell me that "another option" is to extend my clubs another inch, that would send up a huge red flag. One inch may not sound like a lot, but in club fitting, extending your clubs another inch is HUGE. It can really affect their playability. Especially if you’re a beginner, you want to play the shortest clubs you can possibly fit into. The longer the club, the harder it is to consistently return it to square to meet the ball. I would strongly urge you to get a second opinion from another club fitter. You may be able to play standard length clubs. Two different fitters have now told me that I need extra long shafts. — Spam sink email address, sorry

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I was visiting with my teaching pro on the range. He had a his own irons out, a 2/5/7i . He had to leave for about 5 minutes, so I asked him if I could whack his irons. Managed to hit about 5 balls with each club. Amazing feel….it was like slicing butter, even the 2 iron (I had never hit one before). Then we had this conversation when he came back. "Forget out club fitting….I’ll take these." "You don’t want them, they are Henry Griffiths." "Yeah…." "They are $110 per club." "Oh…..(gulp)" We then had a futile conversation that his clubs are used….wore out….and that he couldn’t hit them worth a damn. -Greg

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You can do the PING static fitting online at http://www.pinggolf.com/fitting_4steps.html this gives you a good idea of what length shaft and lie you need, if you want to reconfirm the fitters opinions. There is also detailed info at http://www.pinggolf.com/fitting_irons.html You still need a dynamic fitting to fine tune this though, which it sounds like you have had, although I can’t believe that a fitter would recommend to lengthen the shaft more to overcome your lie problem. I am 6′6" and I can tell you that when your lie is too flat and you have +2" longer shafts, you will have problems- constantly hitting the ball right because the toe of the club digs in early (as the clubhead bends down away from you when you swing). Currently your lie is -2* and you probably need +2* or so (guessing). I find it much easier to hit with more upright, shorter clubs because you don’t have the clubhead so far away from your body (you aren’t reaching for the ball) and it is easier to get the clubface straight at impact because your swing is more straight up and down. If someone gave me a set of Ping Eye2’s (read the reviews at http://www.golfreview.com/Irons/Ping,Eye,2/PRD_60878_2940crx.aspx ) I would definitely go to the best Ping fitter around, get them to do a fitting and send the clubs back to Ping for the required modifications, with their reputation they would definitely do it (and well). They could (would?) also adjust the loft, swingweight and grip size to your exact needs, just like HG would. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. My $0.02. Jeremy

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See if you can get a hold of a steel shafted +1" club. If you’re a strong guy, an inch extra in steel is not outrageous. It’ll be a little heavier, but not necessarily unwieldy. That part is up to you. HG’s are good clubs, if a little expensive. But they’re good. David. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PS: I should have added that the Ping fitter said that even after the Pings are rebent and reshafted, they would not be exactly what he would recommend if I were buying new clubs because they can’t bent them quite enough. Also, the HG fitter recommended graphite shafts whereas the reshafted Pings would be steel. The HG pro said that I would need graphite to keep the weight down with the longer shafts.

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My tailor says no! Rob — GOP (Golf Only Pledge…I will only initiate golf related threads) Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~frostback2002)

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See if you can get a hold of a steel shafted +1" club. If you’re a strong guy, an inch extra in steel is not outrageous. It’ll be a little heavier, but not necessarily unwieldy.

I’m pretty sure the Ping fitter had me try shafts of several lengths. We ended up with the +2" recommendation. The HG guy also recommended longer shafts. He wrote 39.5. Is that +2" from standard? But he recommended graphite because of the weight. — Spam sink email address, sorry

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If a fitter has told you that a certain length shaft with a certain lie is your best fit, that’s fine, whatever it is. But if he then says that as "another option," you might consider going to clubs an inch longer still from that, then that’s where my red flag would go up. You have an optimum fitting. From that, you could certainly go an inch longer (with the appropriate change in lie angle to accommodate that change). But to suggest that it’s an either/or kind of thing, and both would be equally appropriate, would be just wrong.

That’s not how it was. I probably didn’t explain very well. Here’s what happened. I acquired a set of Orange Dot Ping Eye2s with standard shafts. The Ping fitter said that I the best fit for me is something like Green Dot with +1" steel shafts. I can’t remember exactly and I’m on vacation so I can’t check the fitting report he gave me. Since I already have the Orange Dots, he suggested I have them rebent. But he said that they may not be able to bend them 4 levels (to Green). If they can only go to Blue (+3 from Orange) or Black (+2 from Orange), I could have them put on longer shafts which would have the effect of making them more upright. I forget the formula for inches to degrees, but it was something like 1/2" in length equals 1 degree in lie angle. So, he wasn’t saying that I could go either way. It was just a way to use the clubs I already have and compensate for not having exactly the right lie angle. He actually suggested I could sell them pretty easily and buy new clubs that fit exactly. BTW: Do you know the formula for how much an extra 1" in length corresponds to in lie angle? Thanks — Spam sink email address, sorry

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I did that and then I had the dynamic fitting done at an authorized Ping fitter. You still need a dynamic fitting to fine tune this though, which it sounds like you have had,

Yes although I can’t believe that a fitter would recommend to lengthen the shaft more to overcome your lie problem.

To be fair, he really didn’t "recommend" that. He recommended that I get a set of Blue Dots with +1" shafts (I think, the sheet is at home). But since I already have the Orange Dots, he said that a close approximation would be to get Ping to rebend them as much as they can (but probably not all the way to Blue) and then get longer shafts to make up the difference. I am 6′6" and I can tell you that when your lie is too flat and you have +2" longer shafts, you will have problems- constantly hitting the ball right because the toe of the club digs in early (as the clubhead bends down away from you when you swing).

But isn’t this exactly what we already have with the different irons and especially the woods? The shafts are all different lengths. I think it’s something like 1/2" for each iron or so. The 3 iron is a lot longer than the sand wedge and that seems to work. Currently your lie is -2* and you probably need +2* or so (guessing).

Correct. He recommended the Blue Dots, which are +2 from standard (Black) and +4 from Orange. I find it much easier to hit with more upright, shorter clubs because you don’t have the clubhead so far away from your body (you aren’t reaching for the ball) and it is easier to get the clubface straight at impact because your swing is more straight up and down.

But how does this square with the different shaft lengths from 3I to wedge (see above)? If someone gave me a set of Ping Eye2’s (read the reviews at http://www.golfreview.com/Irons/Ping,Eye,2/PRD_60878_2940crx.aspx ) I would definitely go to the best Ping fitter around, get them to do a fitting

Just what I did and send the clubs back to Ping for the required modifications, with their reputation they would definitely do it (and well). They could (would?) also adjust the loft, swingweight and grip size to your exact needs, just like HG would.

That as my plan until I got down here and talked to the HG pro. Now I’m just collecting more data. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.

Never! Thanks for the very helpful information. — Spam sink email address, sorry

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How do Ping clubs compare to HG? I was visiting with my teaching pro on the range. He had a his own irons out, a 2/5/7i . He had to leave for about 5 minutes, so I asked him if I could whack his irons. Managed to hit about 5 balls with each club. Amazing feel….it was like slicing butter, even the 2 iron (I had never hit one before).

I felt the same way when I was using the HG fitting irons. Of course, I am a beginner so "slicing butter" is not a term that applies to anything I do very often, but they definitely felt very good as compared to the Orange Pings (which are way too short for me). Then, I borrowed a set of irons from a friend who is even bigger than I am. They are Callaway VFTs (or something like that). This guy is pretty well off and I think he paid a lot for them. I hit with them on the range for half an hour ten took a lesson. By the end of the lesson, I was hitting the 7 iron as far as 175 yards and it felt every bit as good as the HGs. I think I’m just too new to be able to judge. Then we had this conversation when he came back. "Forget out club fitting….I’ll take these." "You don’t want them, they are Henry Griffiths." "Yeah…." "They are $110 per club." "Oh…..(gulp)"

The HG guy here said I could get a full set of irons from them, for about $800. I think a full set was 4-9 + 2 wedges. — Spam sink email address, sorry

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How do Ping clubs compare to HG? A suit made from the finest fabric is useless if it isn’t your size.

Of course, but that wasn’t the question. — Spam sink email address, sorry

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what Randy is saying is that if you try to compensate for lie angle by making the shafts longer than they should be ‘for you’ then THAT is a red flag. It is unfortunate that Ping won’t bend the clubs to your exact specs, but I guess they don’t want to break the heads. Try going to www.ebay.com , or www.Golfclubexchange.com and see what they sell for Eye2’s maybe you can find a set that matches exactly. even if you spend $300 dollars you can turn around and sell yours for possibly the same and break even. In the end there are SO many options

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If a fitter has told you that a certain length shaft with a certain lie is your best fit, that’s fine, whatever it is. But if he then says that as "another option," you might consider going to clubs an inch longer still from that, then that’s where my red flag would go up. You have an optimum fitting. From that, you could certainly go an inch longer (with the appropriate change in lie angle to accommodate that change). But to suggest that it’s an either/or kind of thing, and both would be equally appropriate, would be just wrong. That’s not how it was. I probably didn’t explain very well. Here’s what happened. I acquired a set of Orange Dot Ping Eye2s with standard shafts. The Ping fitter said that I the best fit for me is something like Green Dot with +1" steel shafts. I can’t remember exactly and I’m on vacation so I can’t check the fitting report he gave me. Since I already have the Orange Dots, he suggested I have them rebent. But he said that they may not be able to bend them 4 levels (to Green). If they can only go to Blue (+3 from Orange) or Black (+2 from Orange), I could have them put on longer shafts which would have the effect of making them more upright. I forget the formula for inches to degrees, but it was something like 1/2" in length equals 1 degree in lie angle. So, he wasn’t saying that I could go either way. It was just a way to use the clubs I already have and compensate for not having exactly the right lie angle. He actually suggested I could sell them pretty easily and buy new clubs that fit exactly. BTW: Do you know the formula for how much an extra 1" in length corresponds to in lie angle? Thanks — Spam sink email address, sorry

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what Randy is saying is that if you try to compensate for lie angle by making the shafts longer than they should be ‘for you’ then THAT is a red flag.

Again, the pro really didn’t want to do that. He suggested I buy new clubs that fit — either from him or used as on eBay. I asked if it would hurt to use something that is "close" to a perfect fit since my swing in likely to change as I learn the game anyway. Then, if I actually become a golfer (still an open question), I can get new clubs later. He said that would not be ideal, but not bad. It is unfortunate that Ping won’t bend the clubs to your exact specs, but I guess they don’t want to break the heads.

I still need to talk to them in person, but both their website and the Ping fitter said they will do an much as they can. Some models can be bent more than others. Try going to www.ebay.com , or www.Golfclubexchange.com and see what they sell for Eye2’s maybe you can find a set that matches exactly. even if you spend $300 dollars you can turn around and sell yours for possibly the same and break even. In the end there are SO many options

Good suggestions. Thanks — Spam sink email address, sorry

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Yes, that’s +2. Ok, two inches over is usually enough to make the move to graphite. David. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – See if you can get a hold of a steel shafted +1" club. If you’re a strong guy, an inch extra in steel is not outrageous. It’ll be a little heavier, but not necessarily unwieldy. I’m pretty sure the Ping fitter had me try shafts of several lengths. We ended up with the +2" recommendation. The HG guy also recommended longer shafts. He wrote 39.5. Is that +2" from standard? But he recommended graphite because of the weight.

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I think this is important to keep in mind … that this set of Pings or HGs are not your only choices and possibly not the best choices. It’s unfortunate that you seem to be on the "high" side of standard fit (green dot and +1 inch is quite a bit) and that the Pings are fitted "downward" (orange dot being a flat lie), because otherwise the Eye2s are supposed to be great clubs. HGs have a good reputation, but are on the expensive side, and re-sale would be tougher IMO. I’m thinking your best bet is just buying another set that you like and either fit already or can easily/cheaply be fit, and then selling the Pings. Keep looking and trying a few different brands. I’m a big fan of used clubs, and have bought most of mine thru Ebay or local stores that carry used clubs. Rob

Then, I borrowed a set of irons from a friend who is even bigger than – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am. They are Callaway VFTs (or something like that). This guy is pretty well off and I think he paid a lot for them. I hit with them on the range for half an hour ten took a lesson. By the end of the lesson, I was hitting the 7 iron as far as 175 yards and it felt every bit as good as the HGs. I think I’m just too new to be able to judge.

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What is the range of adjustment they can make and what did they say you needed? I ask because, if your fit is extremely upright as a function of an over the top swing, you can take some lessons that will get you into a better swing that would fit a flatter lie angle. I was originally fitted with Ping WHITE and 1" long. With some tweaks to my swing, I am now playing Black and 1" over. I agree that the Ping eye2 are excellent irons if the shafts fit your swing. Good luck RJ … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PS: I should have added that the Ping fitter said that even after the Pings are rebent and reshafted, they would not be exactly what he would recommend if I were buying new clubs because they can’t bent them quite enough. Also, the HG fitter recommended graphite shafts whereas the reshafted Pings would be steel. The HG pro said that I would need graphite to keep the weight down with the longer shafts. — Spam sink email address, sorry

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