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I really don’t think we’re talking about misquoting, although in this case you could build an argument that you are right pretty easily. I classify this as "taking something out of context", which is also something the media can do very well. The book goes into more detail about the statement, qualifies it and even discusses who should try it. It also points out that players with strong grips should be very cautious (as Harlan surmised originally). The problem, I think lies in the fact that there are different swings and as a result, there are "tips" that work for one swing – and won’t work for another. It is the golfer’s responsibility to ferret out the differences. Unfortunately, most can’t. Because of this, you see golfers buying every magazine, video and book on the market. They try everything, but ultimately revert back to where they were when they started. It is also in the same camp with golfers who accept advice from "friends" and fellow players who really know nothing of the swing, its mechanics or the physics behind it. These golfers, too, revert back to where they started, generally. So, it’s buyer beware. In the world as we know it today, this is not uncommon – probably not good, but certainly not uncommon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Early in my postings in October, one of the statements I made that was picked up on with ferocious attacks on me was to the effect that much mainstream instruction, and much instruction from "great teachers" can be and often is misleading. That it can harm you. And I always stated that I had no problems with the TEACHERS. The leap attributed to me that they were bad teachers did not come from my lips. The recent quotations or misquotations of David Leadbetter’s "turn your watch to the ground at impact" is a case in point. The struggles I see at my driving range to turn the hand violently to obey that "dictum" are proof of the misleading nature of it, because if you asked David, he would surely indicate that that is not what he meant. I choose to believe than some editor may be responsible for the mis-statement. "Through the impact interval" would be a better choice of words. Now Harlan is going to go and spend money for his book to see what he meant. Harlan had a problem "trying" to do it. Why? Because he thought he had a deficiency in his swing technique because David said to do….. and Harlan couldn’t do it…. It is not George Hibbard who indicts David or anyone else. It is their own, or editor’s words, that create the problem. The present dialogue about the Golf Dig. article by DL is a very interesting playout about my concerns about misleading instruction coming from high places. — When you like a post, save it/print it. Saves reposting. — — — George Hibbard Pendulum Press (800) 226-9326 www.perfectimpact.com
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In my opinion, the earth is round.
Actually it’s obvoid. In my opinion this country went to war in 1941.
No it didn’t. The war came to this country (the US) in 1941. In my opinion DL and Golf Digest said ‘at impact’.
In my opinion, DL and golf digest said "the", but that was a long time ago (was golf digest even published when DL was alive?) In my opinion, golfers believing that that is the correct procedure are harmed/mislead.""
I beleive "that" is the only procedure. I am writing a book; "That Golf", which is based on the relation of "that" to the golf swing. Every major golfer who has ever played has written and spoken of the importance of "that" to the golf swing. I know what "that" is; however you will have to purchase the book to find out what is REALLY meant by "that". If you have trouble with the book, I am also planning a video, and I will be avaialble for personal consultation. I explain "that" to you in simple language, although I tend to be overly wordy and some say that I am confusing, they are just persecuting me because they don’t understand my simple logic. I am not like Galileo or Christ, however, I am more like Copernicus. People really know what I am saying, but deliberately suppress my theses because they are afraid of the Inquisition. Nobody else really understands what "that" is, and major instructors charging thousands of dollars for lessons purporting to understand "that" aspect of the swing are misleading people, and really telling people what "this" aspect of the swing is, which is very poor instruction indeed, causing untold harm to the golfing community. That Golf involves many beleifs, such as: Bill Clinton has never cheated on his wife. Al Gore has an exciting, dynamic personality that would rival people like Robin Williams. George Hibbard makes clear, concise posts. GW Bush wrote the music and lyric to "Who Let the Dogs Out", and is one of the individuals who performs the piece in the video. A black caddy type would be as accepted in the golf world in the time frame of Bagger Vance. Say what you will, but since I have started beleiving these and other things, my golf game has improved dramatically, with the final improvements coming when I accepted the absolute truth of the Callaway Ball commercials. If I beleived any of the above to be anything but the absolute truth, my game would suffer substantially. This is part of what "That Golf" is all about. When politicians accuse their opponents, they conveniently mis-state the opponents words and positions, Z.
They conveniently obfuscate and muddy the water. Simple direct answers are beyond them, and a regular poster to this forum……. Nice try.
It’s all anyone can do. George
In my opinion, I am George. Rob — RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/hamiltonr.htm Charter Member, RSG Clique
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Early in my postings in October, one of the statements I made that was picked up on with ferocious attacks on me was to the effect that much mainstream instruction, and much instruction from "great teachers" can be and often is misleading. That it can harm you. And I always stated that I had no problems with the TEACHERS. The leap attributed to me that they were bad teachers did not come from my lips.
Z: FIND the posts and quotes you wish to use. They’re of record. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I should have known better than to read one of these… Let’s See…You say…(see above), *They* are "misleading"… *They* can "harm" you… But evidently that’s OK NOW because: *You* have "no problem" with *Them*…and *You* never said *They* were "Bad." Are you sure your not running on the republican ticket…??? Maybe you should just change your name and start over…? You are never going to talk your way out of it. Take a vacation for a week…practice using phrases like… "I think," "IMHO," "It seems to me," Then take another stab at it… ]]]Z[[[
I don't need to qualify the statements; the evidence is on the table. For example: "In my opinion, the earth is round. In my opinion this country went to war in 1941. In my opinion DL and Golf Digest said 'at impact'. In my opinion, golfers believing that that is the correct procedure are harmed/mislead."" When politicians accuse their opponents, they conveniently mis-state the opponents words and positions, Z. Nice try. George
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Early in my postings in October, one of the statements I made that was picked up on with ferocious attacks on me was to the effect that much mainstream instruction, and much instruction from "great teachers" can be and often is misleading. That it can harm you. And I always stated that I had no problems with the TEACHERS. The leap attributed to me that they were bad teachers did not come from my lips.
I should have known better than to read one of these... Let's See...You say...(see above), *They* are "misleading"... *They* can "harm" you... But evidently that's OK NOW because: *You* have "no problem" with *Them*...and *You* never said *They* were "Bad." Are you sure your not running on the republican ticket...??? Maybe you should just change your name and start over...? You are never going to talk your way out of it. Take a vacation for a week...practice using phrases like... "I think," "IMHO," "It seems to me," Then take another stab at it... ]]]Z[[[
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Early in my postings in October, one of the statements I made that was picked up on with ferocious attacks on me was to the effect that much mainstream instruction, and much instruction from "great teachers" can be and often is misleading. That it can harm you. And I always stated that I had no problems with the TEACHERS. The leap attributed to me that they were bad teachers did not come from my lips. The recent quotations or misquotations of David Leadbetter’s "turn your watch to the ground at impact" is a case in point. The struggles I see at my driving range to turn the hand violently to obey that "dictum" are proof of the misleading nature of it, because if you asked David, he would surely indicate that that is not what he meant. I choose to believe than some editor may be responsible for the mis-statement. "Through the impact interval" would be a better choice of words. Now Harlan is going to go and spend money for his book to see what he meant. Harlan had a problem "trying" to do it. Why? Because he thought he had a deficiency in his swing technique because David said to do….. and Harlan couldn’t do it…. It is not George Hibbard who indicts David or anyone else. It is their own, or editor’s words, that create the problem. The present dialogue about the Golf Dig. article by DL is a very interesting playout about my concerns about misleading instruction coming from high places. — When you like a post, save it/print it. Saves reposting. — — — George Hibbard Pendulum Press (800) 226-9326 www.perfectimpact.com begin 666 George Hibbard.vcf M0D5′24XZ5D-!4D0-"E9%4E-)3TXZ,BXQ#0I..DAI8F)A<F0[1V5O<F=E#0I& M="YC;VT-"D5-04E,.U!2148[24Y415).150Z9VA <&5R9F5C=&EM<&%C="YC ` end