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You beat me to the punch mentioning Norman. I have_one_Tour Edition around here somewhere. The ball number is 00 and it says "SHARK" on the side of the ball. He used to spin the hell out of those balls. Didn’t Spalding replace it with the Z-Balata? — John
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The poster boy for this ball was Greg Norman. Many people feel this ball cost Greg several championships because he sucked them right of the greens. I used to love this ball. Brad It spins almost as well as the All-Time spin king, the original Spalding Tour Edition with the Zinthane cover. When those balls first came out in the mid-80’s we were spinning them 60 feet back off of flat greens. It was ridiculous. The next batch they made didn’t seem to spin as well.
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You beat me to the punch mentioning Norman. I have_one_Tour Edition around here somewhere. The ball number is 00 and it says "SHARK" on the side of the ball. He used to spin the hell out of those balls. Didn’t Spalding replace it with the Z-Balata?
I think they did, you top-posting leftie. Wayne — Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=huffordw
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Great analysis. I played Tour Prestiges again today. Played the same ball the whole round. I definately lost distance off the tee, but was hitting it pretty good, about 240-260 on the well struck shots. It was, however, windy. Those Tour Prestiges held their line very well, which is what I like about them. I don’t hit the ball all that hard, so keeping spin on the ball so it will hold its line is a problem I have that PGA Tour pros don’t have. I guy I was playing with used a ProV1. A telling shot was the approach to 8. We both started it out a little right with a right to left crosswind that was helping a little. Mine held it’s line nicely the whole way, hit the green, and released about 10 feet with a nice left bounce of the slope of the green on the right side. His held its line about 2/3 the way, then the wind grabbed it and carried it into the trap. I had several shots that held their line nicely, putting me on the green while the wind carried other balls off the green. (17 was another example. I pulled mine tee shot a little, but still hit the left edge of the green with a right to left corsswind. A guy I was playing with did the same thing with a Callaway hex red, and missed the green 10 feet left, the wind grabbed it about 1/4 the way there and was in full control from that point on). The result was a nice little 81 (42/39) despite some poor drives. I agree that the ProV1 type ball works great for PGA Tour pros. That’s not me, however. I have different needs. I suspect that most of us hackers are more or less in the same boat as I am. We really cannot control the ball well enough to play a low spin ball like a ProV1, but with the hype; its what the pros use, we are supposed to use them. The Callaway rule 35 blue was a great ball, but did not have as nice a cover as the Tour Prestige or the ProV1. The cover is the only difference between a ProV1 and a Lady Precept IMHO (in the sense of how it plays). I honestly beleive, however, that the Tour Prestige is the best golf ball ever made. There is no solid ball that I can hit that will hold its line into a 2 club crosswind like we had today. Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )
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@aol.com says… <snip For my game, the Callaway Rule 35 blue flies about as far as anything else (within a few yards anyway) and stops and putts WAY better than the Pro-V1 or the even harder feeling, Strata Tour Ultimate.
Wow. The only reason I play the Strata Tour Ultimate is how much better it rolls for me than any other ball. It spins enough and goes far enough, that I’m not even really sacrificing anything by using it. Like I said, I found the Callaway Rule 35 blue really short and non- spinning. Wayne
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The poster boy for this ball was Greg Norman. Many people feel this ball cost Greg several championships because he sucked them right of the greens. I used to love this ball. Brad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It spins almost as well as the All-Time spin king, the original Spalding Tour Edition with the Zinthane cover. When those balls first came out in the mid-80’s we were spinning them 60 feet back off of flat greens. It was ridiculous. The next batch they made didn’t seem to spin as well.
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Tell the truth. You skulled the Callaway Blue and put a smiley face on it. It’s not the arrow, it’s the archer, right??
It’s always the fault of either the club, ball, lie, weather, etc. It’s never my fault. I rule. Seriously, I don’t spin the ball like crazy, but I notice a big difference in control around the greens with the Rule 35 blue. The ball I really notice spinning with a full wedge is the Strata Tour Prof. My last "damn, I just missed a hole in one" was with the Strata, landing it aboot 6-7 feet past the hole and it sucked back, stopping an inch or two from the hole. I bet the Callaway would have gone in.
I haven’t ever played the Tour Prof. Somehow I skipped from the Tour 100 to the Tour Ultimate. I’m not surprised the Tour Prof. spins a lot though, because the Tour 100 spun like mad. Wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is "it didn’t spin for me" your auto reply message when your away or something?? 
God damn lefties. Yes, that is exactly my auto reply message Seriously, I don’t gain a lot of enjoyment watching a perfectly struck shot hit the middle of the green and go rocketing off the back. And it’s nice to have the extra spin for a certain hole at my course where I can please the crowd a bit. Wayne — Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=huffordw
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That’s why I’m in Tucson, pal….getting used to the elements. Got at 82 on Monday….a 98 yesterday, at Star Pass. Hit the ball well both days….but hit it too far, way too many times. Dang this desert air. And these burmuda greens…..grain??? -Greg
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If you think you are putting on Bermuda Greens this week, I want to show you my beach house here in Scottsdale. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s why I’m in Tucson, pal….getting used to the elements. And these burmuda greens…..grain??? -Greg
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I don’t spin the ball like crazy, but I notice a big difference in control around the greens with the Rule 35 blue. The ball I really notice spinning with a full wedge is the Strata Tour Prof.
There are two factors that can make a ball stop on the green. On full shots, it’s backspin. On short shots like chips around the green it is the softness of the cover. From my observations, the Strata Tour Professional is probably the current leader in backspin on full shots. It spins almost as well as the All-Time spin king, the original Spalding Tour Edition with the Zinthane cover. When those balls first came out in the mid-80’s we were spinning them 60 feet back off of flat greens. It was ridiculous. The next batch they made didn’t seem to spin as well. Take your Pro-V1, your Strata Tour Ultimate, Strata Tour Pro, Callaway Rule 35 Blue or any other ball you wanna test and put yourself on a tight lie just off the green with only a few feet between you and the hole (IOW, short-side yourself), preferably with the hole below you on a downslope. Now chip all these balls onto the green and see which is easier to stop near (or short of) the hole. My bet is that the Callaway Blue will be the winner. This is where the old Balata balls excelled …. stopping shots that wouldn’t normally stop. The pros missed the old Titleist Balata at Bay Hill. I wonder if any of them considered hitting some old Balatas on those hard greens? It might’ve been worth giving away a few yards to be able to stop a ball on those greens. Two years ago, I was playing a practice round at Dalton C.C. before a tournament there. I was playing with a Titleist Professional at the time. I found a Top-Flite Super Titanium ball and played both balls for a few holes, which as you might know is the way I like to test golf balls. (It makes little sense to me to compare a Callaway Blue hit on Thursday with a Pro-V1 I played with on Sunday.) Anyway, the Top-Flite Super Ti was like a rock. Hard as Hell feeling, but it took off like a rocket. It was a good 15-20 yards past the Professional on every drive and even flew farther off the irons as well. Of course, it didn’t hold the greens as well as the Titleist, especially on chip shots, and it jumped off the putter making it harder to control on the fast greens. However, I did notice one interesting thing. It was easier for me to hold the greens hitting a 7-iron with the hard Top-Flite than hitting a 5-iron with the softer Titleist. When I’m left with a long approach shot, no ball is gonna stop too well for me, so that extra 15-20 yards becomes important. This is why I doubt any of the pros would be willing to go back to the original Balata instead of the Pro-V1. They spin the ball pretty well with any ball so they can use the extra distance of the harder balls to more advantage. I’m just suprised it took them so long to figure that out. When choosing a ball, one must consider whether it is more important to gain a few yards off the tee or whether it would be more beneficial to have more control and better feel around the greens. For my game, the Callaway Rule 35 blue flies about as far as anything else (within a few yards anyway) and stops and putts WAY better than the Pro-V1 or the even harder feeling, Strata Tour Ultimate. I figure I’m only gonna hit a certain percentage of the greens anyway. After that it’s all short game, and that’s where the Blue Rule 35 shines.
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Is "it didn’t spin for me" your auto reply message when your away or something??
God damn lefties. Yes, that is exactly my auto reply message Seriously, I don’t gain a lot of enjoyment watching a perfectly struck shot hit the middle of the green and go rocketing off the back. And it’s nice to have the extra spin for a certain hole at my course where I can please the crowd a bit. Wayne — Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=huffordw
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Tell the truth. You skulled the Callaway Blue and put a smiley face on it. It’s not the arrow, it’s the archer, right?? Seriously, I don’t spin the ball like crazy, but I notice a big difference in control around the greens with the Rule 35 blue. The ball I really notice spinning with a full wedge is the Strata Tour Prof. My last "damn, I just missed a hole in one" was with the Strata, landing it aboot 6-7 feet past the hole and it sucked back, stopping an inch or two from the hole. I bet the Callaway would have gone in. — John
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is "it didn’t spin for me" your auto reply message when your away or something?? God damn lefties. Yes, that is exactly my auto reply message Seriously, I don’t gain a lot of enjoyment watching a perfectly struck shot hit the middle of the green and go rocketing off the back. And it’s nice to have the extra spin for a certain hole at my course where I can please the crowd a bit. Wayne — Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=huffordw
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Lets see. You hook the ball. You play on wet greens. Bring plenty of cash to my club in AZ. We’re playing a hard dry course, with hard greens, and water left on every hole…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I didn’t think the Noodles spun all that well. Wayne — Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=huffordw True, but with my hooking tendencies, I prefer a low spin ball. Plus, with the wet greens we have in Oregon, spin isn’t necessary. -Greg
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got out for 18 holes today with Chris Stricker in Lena IL (enjoyable round), and played the Maxfli Noodle (it’s Long and Soft!) for the whole round. I’m intrigued. My current ball of choice is the Titleist ProV1. I found the Noodle to be very similar in performance, which if it holds true, would be a godsend. I bought a dozen Noodles for $20; that’s far better than what one has to pay for ProV1’s. The only thing I didn’t have much chance to practice was the short game. I was able to spin the Noodle fairly well. I have used the Noodle and like it quite a bit, but I have found for me it is a bit hot off the putter. I tried the Laddie, same distance but it’s much easier for me on the greens. Mary AG I wish it *had* been hot off the putterface for me. Might have reduced one or two of those three-jacks. And maybe allowed me to make a few others. Mike — Mike Dalecki RSG-Wisconsin 2002 Info http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2002 I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean! Web Site: http://www.dalecki.net/clubdoctor/ RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim
I tried the Noodle also and was still impressed by the Nike Distance Power with it’s low trajectory.
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Is "it didn’t spin for me" your auto reply message when your away or something?? — John
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… I too am enthralled with the Noodle. My first encounter with it was when my golf shop conned me into trying a sleeve….I bought one sleeve of Noodles and 3 sleeves of the Precept Lady. After a few round, I took back the Ladies. It truly is a fabulous ball. -Greg I didn’t think the Noodles spun all that well. Wayne — Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=huffordw
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does that mean that the 3rd driver in the running (Integra 400cc) on your rollcall page has been eliminated? Tony
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which drivers? AR-400 and PFT/300. Mike
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says… I too am enthralled with the Noodle. My first encounter with it was when my golf shop conned me into trying a sleeve….I bought one sleeve of Noodles and 3 sleeves of the Precept Lady. After a few round, I took back the Ladies. It truly is a fabulous ball. -Greg
I didn’t think the Noodles spun all that well. Wayne — Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=huffordw
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I didn’t think the Noodles spun all that well. Wayne — Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=huffordw
True, but with my hooking tendencies, I prefer a low spin ball. Plus, with the wet greens we have in Oregon, spin isn’t necessary. -Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Spent the round testing two new drivers which ones and which saft? Quique
The AR-400 with the Alpha Response graphite shaft (stiff), and the PFT/300 with the Distance Plus shaft (stiff). Both are 9*. They both went straight (unless I screwed up the swing), they both went far, and they both felt good. The only difference was that the PFT/300 has a somewhat lower trajectory than the AR-400. There’s only one thing to do: Keep testing. Mike Mike Dalecki RSG-Wisconsin 2002 Info http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2002 I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean! Web Site: http://www.dalecki.net/clubdoctor/ RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim
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Which drivers?
AR-400 and PFT/300. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got out for 18 holes today with Chris Stricker in Lena IL (enjoyable round), and played the Maxfli Noodle (it’s Long and Soft!) for the whole round. I’m intrigued. My current ball of choice is the Titleist ProV1. I found the Noodle to be very similar in performance, which if it holds true, would be a godsend. I bought a dozen Noodles for $20; that’s far better than what one has to pay for ProV1’s. The only thing I didn’t have much chance to practice was the short game. I was able to spin the Noodle fairly well. Interesting option for those who like the ProV1 to take a look at. Mike PS: I shot 85 (par 71) for my first official time out. Spent the round testing two new drivers (sadly, they both performed wonderfully, so I can’t decide between them , plus the Noodle. Unfortunately, the greens were very shaggy; I had FIVE three-jacks, every one because I left a longish putt well short. I didn’t figure out the speed until the last six holes. The greens must have stimped at about a 3. Lesson to self: Never go out unless you have done at least a few putts on the practice green. Mike Dalecki RSG-Wisconsin 2002 Info http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2002 I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean! Web Site: http://www.dalecki.net/clubdoctor/ RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim
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I too am enthralled with the Noodle. My first encounter with it was when my golf shop conned me into trying a sleeve….I bought one sleeve of Noodles and 3 sleeves of the Precept Lady. After a few round, I took back the Ladies. It truly is a fabulous ball. -Greg
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got out for 18 holes today with Chris Stricker in Lena IL (enjoyable round), and played the Maxfli Noodle (it’s Long and Soft!) for the whole round. I’m intrigued. My current ball of choice is the Titleist ProV1. I found the Noodle to be very similar in performance, which if it holds true, would be a godsend. I bought a dozen Noodles for $20; that’s far better than what one has to pay for ProV1’s. The only thing I didn’t have much chance to practice was the short game. I was able to spin the Noodle fairly well. I have used the Noodle and like it quite a bit, but I have found for me it is a bit hot off the putter. I tried the Laddie, same distance but it’s much easier for me on the greens. Mary AG
I wish it *had* been hot off the putterface for me. Might have reduced one or two of those three-jacks. And maybe allowed me to make a few others. Mike — Mike Dalecki RSG-Wisconsin 2002 Info http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2002 I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean! Web Site: http://www.dalecki.net/clubdoctor/ RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim
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I got out for 18 holes today with Chris Stricker in Lena IL (enjoyable round), and played the Maxfli Noodle (it’s Long and Soft!) for the whole round. I’m intrigued. My current ball of choice is the Titleist ProV1. I found the Noodle to be very similar in performance, which if it holds true, would be a godsend. I bought a dozen Noodles for $20; that’s far better than what one has to pay for ProV1’s. The only thing I didn’t have much chance to practice was the short game. I was able to spin the Noodle fairly well. Interesting option for those who like the ProV1 to take a look at. Mike PS: I shot 85 (par 71) for my first official time out. Spent the round testing two new drivers (sadly, they both performed wonderfully, so I can’t decide between them , plus the Noodle. Unfortunately, the greens were very shaggy; I had FIVE three-jacks, every one because I left a longish putt well short. I didn’t figure out the speed until the last six holes. The greens must have stimped at about a 3. Lesson to self: Never go out unless you have done at least a few putts on the practice green. Mike Dalecki RSG-Wisconsin 2002 Info http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2002 I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean! Web Site: http://www.dalecki.net/clubdoctor/ RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim
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Spent the round testing two new drivers
which ones and which saft? Quique
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Which drivers?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got out for 18 holes today with Chris Stricker in Lena IL (enjoyable round), and played the Maxfli Noodle (it’s Long and Soft!) for the whole round. I’m intrigued. My current ball of choice is the Titleist ProV1. I found the Noodle to be very similar in performance, which if it holds true, would be a godsend. I bought a dozen Noodles for $20; that’s far better than what one has to pay for ProV1’s. The only thing I didn’t have much chance to practice was the short game. I was able to spin the Noodle fairly well. Interesting option for those who like the ProV1 to take a look at. Mike PS: I shot 85 (par 71) for my first official time out. Spent the round testing two new drivers (sadly, they both performed wonderfully, so I can’t decide between them , plus the Noodle. Unfortunately, the greens were very shaggy; I had FIVE three-jacks, every one because I left a longish putt well short. I didn’t figure out the speed until the last six holes. The greens must have stimped at about a 3. Lesson to self: Never go out unless you have done at least a few putts on the practice green. Mike Dalecki RSG-Wisconsin 2002 Info http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2002 I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean! Web Site: http://www.dalecki.net/clubdoctor/ RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim