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actually there were a couple of other things i should have mentioned. i was using a golf pride tour wrap full cord grip with 5 papers under it, so that was bound to affect the swingweight as well. i actually set all my drivers up to 45" and then trim down in increments until it feels right. i can’t remember what it was at 45". maybe like c8 or c9, but i can’t remember exactly. i don’t have the club any longer anyway, it was traded this week for a cobra forged beta ti model which i picked up today.
If you are messing with the grip like that or using an oversize grip or special lightweight grip or whatever you probably need to go more on feel than what the swingweight scale tells you. The weight of the grip is IMHO pretty irrelevant to how the club really swings from a swingweight standpoint. Too bad there isn’t a good way to measure the swingweight taking the grip out of the calculation. — Douglas Siebert Director of Computing Facilities I plan to live forever, or die trying.
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Addendum to the previous post: I know the 35 vs the 45 means 3.5 torque vs 4.5 torque, but the question then is – What difference does 1 degree torque mean?
I have also wondering if I waste money buying shafts that have a torque of 3 or less. Steel shafts are around 2.2 so I didn’t want to get too far from that, but I would like to see some real data. I guess if you hit the sweetspot it doesn’t matter. Bob Dietrich
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yes they do come out a little light in the swingweight department. my gbb came out at about c4 with a stiff prolite 3.5 at about 44.25". it didn’t really bother me much though. ymmv.
I have a fly swatter with a higher swingweight than c4:-) All my drivers are D9 or higher (up to E7). The GBB head must be very light. The few I have tried were all very light with the original shaft. Bob Dietrich
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sure i agree with you 100% doug. in fact in my own personal opinion swingweight is a fairly redundant term these days when we are talking about titanium woods and ultralight or overlength shafts. basically the only thing that i feel swingweight is useful for is ensuring that all of your irons are matched so they feel the same. my 2i-pw sw at d4, my gw, sw and lw all swingweight at about d6. but in your driver etc i think feel is all you really need to go on. for example the gbb i was talking about with the prolite in it felt just fine at c4 which as far as traditional standards goes does feel extremely light. ymmv. brett
|If you are messing with the grip like that or using an oversize grip |or special lightweight grip or whatever you probably need to go more |on feel than what the swingweight scale tells you. The weight of |the grip is IMHO pretty irrelevant to how the club really swings from |a swingweight standpoint. Too bad there isn’t a good way to measure |the swingweight taking the grip out of the calculation. | |– |Douglas Siebert Director of Computing Facilities Sciences, U of Iowa | |I plan to live forever, or die trying.
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I reshafted my Warbird 10 degree from the RCH96 to a TrueTemp Steel shaft (stiff) because the graphite shaft was too "whippy" for me. IO went to the proshop (Los Altos Golf, California) to have it reshafted and they didn’t even tell me that the clubhead are weighted differently for steel and graphite shafts. So now I have a shaft that is even more flexible than the graphite which is what I do not want. Someone told me about the Grafalloy shafts and said these are pretty stiff and might work out for me. I don’t know what the speed of my swing is but I want something similar to a steel shaft. Thanks
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I just bought a 10 degree Callaway GBB with a Grafalloy prolite 35 Regular flex. It is like a magic club, long and straight. A friend was so impressed he now wants to trade in his Taylor Made Ti 2 and get a GBB, but only with the Grafalloy shaft. I got mine on an auction site on the web and he’s been looking for a similar setup. Today I found the same clubhead with a Grafalloy prolite regular flex, but it is a 45 instead of the 35. Could you please tell me the difference I (or he) could expect with the 45 vs the 35. Jim
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I just bought a 10 degree Callaway GBB with a Grafalloy prolite 35 Regular flex. It is like a magic club, long and straight. A friend was so impressed he now wants to trade in his Taylor Made Ti 2 and get a GBB, but only with the Grafalloy shaft. I got mine on an auction site on the web and he’s been looking for a similar setup. Today I found the same clubhead with a Grafalloy prolite regular flex, but it is a 45 instead of the 35. Could you please tell me the difference I (or he) could expect with the 45 vs the 35.
A bit higher ball flight, a tiny bit larger varance on shots and about $20 less in your wallet. The 3.5’s are slightly stiffer per labeled designation "regular", "stiff". Both have gotten excellent reviews by players of various levels. They are made by True Temper per local club maker – about half the replacement shafts for woods he sells are Grafalloy. BDW
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While we’re on the topic,, My local shop doesn’t want me to re-shaft GBB with prolite 3.5, saying that the swingweight will become light, I use D-2 now. They’re suggesting the so-lite, but I really wanted the performance and lower ballflight of the prolite. Anyone know what your swingweight is with prolite 3.5 on a stock GBB? At what length? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just bought a 10 degree Callaway GBB with a Grafalloy prolite 35 Regular flex. It is like a magic club, long and straight. A friend was so impressed he now wants to trade in his Taylor Made Ti 2 and get a GBB, but only with the Grafalloy shaft. I got mine on an auction site on the web and he’s been looking for a similar setup. Today I found the same clubhead with a Grafalloy prolite regular flex, but it is a 45 instead of the 35. Could you please tell me the difference I (or he) could expect with the 45 vs the 35. A bit higher ball flight, a tiny bit larger varance on shots and about $20 less in your wallet. The 3.5’s are slightly stiffer per labeled designation "regular", "stiff". Both have gotten excellent reviews by players of various levels. They are made by True Temper per local club maker – about half the replacement shafts for woods he sells are Grafalloy. BDW
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in the same way that a heavier (steel) shaft doesn’t work too well in the head, neither will a much lighter shaft. i can’t recall how much exactly a rch96 shaft weights but the prolites are substantially lighter. they are usually used as replacements for the ultralight shafts in the titanium great big and biggest big. ei70’s made by true temper are a good choice to replace rch96’s with. they come in a variety of flexes right up to tour x which will be as stiff as any steel shaft on the market. another option if you want a insanely stiff graphite is the hm series by aldila. hope this helps. brett
|I reshafted my Warbird 10 degree from the RCH96 to a TrueTemp Steel shaft |(stiff) because the graphite shaft was too "whippy" for me. IO went to the |proshop (Los Altos Golf, California) to have it reshafted and they didn’t |even tell me that the clubhead are weighted differently for steel and |graphite shafts. So now I have a shaft that is even more flexible than the |graphite which is what I do not want. | |Someone told me about the Grafalloy shafts and said these are pretty stiff |and might work out for me. I don’t know what the speed of my swing is but |I want something similar to a steel shaft. | |Thanks
|I just bought a 10 degree Callaway GBB with a Grafalloy prolite 35 Regular |flex. It is like a magic club, long and straight. A friend was so |impressed he now wants to trade in his Taylor Made Ti 2 and get a GBB, but |only with the Grafalloy shaft. I got mine on an auction site on the web |and |he’s been looking for a similar setup. Today I found the same clubhead |with |a Grafalloy prolite regular flex, but it is a 45 instead of the 35. Could |you please tell me the difference I (or he) could expect with the 45 vs the |35. | |Jim | | | | |
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actually there were a couple of other things i should have mentioned. i was using a golf pride tour wrap full cord grip with 5 papers under it, so that was bound to affect the swingweight as well. i actually set all my drivers up to 45" and then trim down in increments until it feels right. i can’t remember what it was at 45". maybe like c8 or c9, but i can’t remember exactly. i don’t have the club any longer anyway, it was traded this week for a cobra forged beta ti model which i picked up today. brett
|Aha!! I’ll fill the shaft with lead then, I really like to swing D2. |Normal GBB length is 45" so that adds a few points… | |
|yes they do come out a little light in the swingweight |department. my gbb came out at about c4 with a stiff prolite 3.5 |at about 44.25". it didn’t really bother me much though. ymmv. | |brett
||While we’re on the topic,, || ||My local shop doesn’t want me to re-shaft GBB with prolite 3.5, |saying that ||the swingweight will become light, I use D-2 now. They’re |suggesting the ||so-lite, but I really wanted the performance and lower |ballflight of the ||prolite. || ||Anyone know what your swingweight is with prolite 3.5 on a stock |GBB? At ||what length? ||
||I just bought a 10 degree Callaway GBB with a Grafalloy |prolite 35 Regular ||flex. It is like a magic club, long and straight. A friend |was so ||impressed he now wants to trade in his Taylor Made Ti 2 and |get a GBB, but ||only with the Grafalloy shaft. I got mine on an auction site |on the web ||and ||he’s been looking for a similar setup. Today I found the same |clubhead ||with ||a Grafalloy prolite regular flex, but it is a 45 instead of |the 35. Could ||you please tell me the difference I (or he) could expect with |the 45 vs ||the ||35. || ||A bit higher ball flight, a tiny bit larger varance on shots |and ||about $20 less in your wallet. The 3.5’s are slightly stiffer |per ||labeled designation "regular", "stiff". Both have gotten |excellent ||reviews by players of various levels. They are made by True |Temper ||per local club maker – about half the replacement shafts for |woods ||he sells are Grafalloy. || ||BDW || || || | | |
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yes they do come out a little light in the swingweight department. my gbb came out at about c4 with a stiff prolite 3.5 at about 44.25". it didn’t really bother me much though. ymmv. brett
|While we’re on the topic,, | |My local shop doesn’t want me to re-shaft GBB with prolite 3.5, saying that |the swingweight will become light, I use D-2 now. They’re suggesting the |so-lite, but I really wanted the performance and lower ballflight of the |prolite. | |Anyone know what your swingweight is with prolite 3.5 on a stock GBB? At |what length? |
|I just bought a 10 degree Callaway GBB with a Grafalloy prolite 35 Regular |flex. It is like a magic club, long and straight. A friend was so |impressed he now wants to trade in his Taylor Made Ti 2 and get a GBB, but |only with the Grafalloy shaft. I got mine on an auction site on the web |and |he’s been looking for a similar setup. Today I found the same clubhead |with |a Grafalloy prolite regular flex, but it is a 45 instead of the 35. Could |you please tell me the difference I (or he) could expect with the 45 vs |the |35. | |A bit higher ball flight, a tiny bit larger varance on shots and |about $20 less in your wallet. The 3.5’s are slightly stiffer per |labeled designation "regular", "stiff". Both have gotten excellent |reviews by players of various levels. They are made by True Temper |per local club maker – about half the replacement shafts for woods |he sells are Grafalloy. | |BDW | | |
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Aha!! I’ll fill the shaft with lead then, I really like to swing D2. Normal GBB length is 45" so that adds a few points… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – yes they do come out a little light in the swingweight department. my gbb came out at about c4 with a stiff prolite 3.5 at about 44.25". it didn’t really bother me much though. ymmv. brett |While we’re on the topic,, | |My local shop doesn’t want me to re-shaft GBB with prolite 3.5, saying that |the swingweight will become light, I use D-2 now. They’re suggesting the |so-lite, but I really wanted the performance and lower ballflight of the |prolite. | |Anyone know what your swingweight is with prolite 3.5 on a stock GBB? At |what length? | |I just bought a 10 degree Callaway GBB with a Grafalloy prolite 35 Regular |flex. It is like a magic club, long and straight. A friend was so |impressed he now wants to trade in his Taylor Made Ti 2 and get a GBB, but |only with the Grafalloy shaft. I got mine on an auction site on the web |and |he’s been looking for a similar setup. Today I found the same clubhead |with |a Grafalloy prolite regular flex, but it is a 45 instead of the 35. Could |you please tell me the difference I (or he) could expect with the 45 vs |the |35. | |A bit higher ball flight, a tiny bit larger varance on shots and |about $20 less in your wallet. The 3.5’s are slightly stiffer per |labeled designation "regular", "stiff". Both have gotten excellent |reviews by players of various levels. They are made by True Temper |per local club maker – about half the replacement shafts for woods |he sells are Grafalloy. | |BDW | | |
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Humm. The lighter the shaft, the lower the swingweight for the same length. Since the So-lite weighs LESS than the Prolite, the So-lite will swingweight less. Whoa there: lighter shaft= more swingweight at the head (depending on the balance of the shaft). I wished to know what the swingweight is between these 2 shafts.
No, that’s not the way it works. The balance point will be lower with the so-lite, but it will have a lower swingweight. If you try out my swingweight calculator mentioned in my sig, you will see how it really works 
and what the swingweight will be with whatever shaft you want to put in your head. You need to know the weight of the head, and the shaft specs from a catalog. -John Baima DFW Golf and the Java Swingweight Calculator http://rampages.onramp.net/~jbaima/
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While we’re on the topic,, My local shop doesn’t want me to re-shaft GBB with prolite 3.5, saying that the swingweight will become light, I use D-2 now. They’re suggesting the so-lite, but I really wanted the performance and lower ballflight of the prolite. Humm. The lighter the shaft, the lower the swingweight for the same length. Since the So-lite weighs LESS than the Prolite, the So-lite will swingweight less.
Whoa there: lighter shaft= more swingweight at the head (depending on the balance of the shaft). I wished to know what the swingweight is between these 2 shafts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –John Baima DFW Golf and the Java Swingweight Calculator http://rampages.onramp.net/~jbaima/
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Humm. The lighter the shaft, the lower the swingweight for the same length. Since the So-lite weighs LESS than the Prolite, the So-lite will swingweight less.
FWIW, I was talking to a friend of mine who is a clubmaker for Golfsmith. According to him, the So-Lite has been real prone to break near the tip and recommends the ProLite. Hope this helps. mark avalon-travel.com
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While we’re on the topic,, My local shop doesn’t want me to re-shaft GBB with prolite 3.5, saying that the swingweight will become light, I use D-2 now. They’re suggesting the so-lite, but I really wanted the performance and lower ballflight of the prolite.
Humm. The lighter the shaft, the lower the swingweight for the same length. Since the So-lite weighs LESS than the Prolite, the So-lite will swingweight less. -John Baima DFW Golf and the Java Swingweight Calculator http://rampages.onramp.net/~jbaima/
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I just bought a 10 degree Callaway GBB with a Grafalloy prolite 35 Regular flex. It is like a magic club, long and straight. A friend was so impressed he now wants to trade in his Taylor Made Ti 2 and get a GBB, but only with the Grafalloy shaft. I got mine on an auction site on the web and he’s been looking for a similar setup. Today I found the same clubhead with a Grafalloy prolite regular flex, but it is a 45 instead of the 35. Could you please tell me the difference I (or he) could expect with the 45 vs the 35. Jim
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Addendum to the previous post: I know the 35 vs the 45 means 3.5 torque vs 4.5 torque, but the question then is – What difference does 1 degree torque mean? Jim
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Since the 45 has 1* more torque than the 35, and both are regular flex, the difference will be slight. The 45 may feel slightly less stiff, and may produce a slightly higher trajectory. Notice the qualification "may" to both of these statements. If you buddy shoots 90’s or 100’s, I doubt he can tell the difference – maybe not even if he shoots 80’s. If he’s a low handicapper, he may tell a slight difference in the feel. — http://home.midsouth.rr.com/joecartpath – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just bought a 10 degree Callaway GBB with a Grafalloy prolite 35 Regular flex. It is like a magic club, long and straight. A friend was so impressed he now wants to trade in his Taylor Made Ti 2 and get a GBB, but only with the Grafalloy shaft. I got mine on an auction site on the web and he’s been looking for a similar setup. Today I found the same clubhead with a Grafalloy prolite regular flex, but it is a 45 instead of the 35. Could you please tell me the difference I (or he) could expect with the 45 vs the 35. Jim
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on top of the difference in torque i believe that the prolite 4.5’s are also slightly lighter (about 2-3 grams from memory) and the kickpoints in them are listed as mid rather than high which is the case for the 3.5. will your friend be able to tell the difference? probably not and if he can you can alway spend another $50 and put a 3.5 in it. brett
|Since the 45 has 1* more torque than the 35, and both are regular flex, the |difference will be slight. The 45 may feel slightly less stiff, and may |produce a slightly higher trajectory. Notice the qualification "may" to both |of these statements. If you buddy shoots 90’s or 100’s, I doubt he can tell |the difference – maybe not even if he shoots 80’s. If he’s a low |handicapper, he may tell a slight difference in the feel. |– |http://home.midsouth.rr.com/joecartpath |
|I just bought a 10 degree Callaway GBB with a Grafalloy prolite 35 Regular |flex. It is like a magic club, long and straight. A friend was so |impressed he now wants to trade in his Taylor Made Ti 2 and get a GBB, but |only with the Grafalloy shaft. I got mine on an auction site on the web |and |he’s been looking for a similar setup. Today I found the same clubhead |with |a Grafalloy prolite regular flex, but it is a 45 instead of the 35. Could |you please tell me the difference I (or he) could expect with the 45 vs the |35. | |Jim | | | |