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To date I have never reported anyone to their ISP for sigs.
Okay, who is the nameless coward who posted my message as Spam on the RSG board. Anyone have the guts to step forward?
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IMHO, the question is really whether the person has some substantive discussion in his posts or is just here to flog his product. If someone’s just here to spam us, he should go away. OTOH, someone who just wants to talk golf ought to reasonably be able to include a link in his sig that will tell us who he is or what biases he might have, including any commercial affiliations that would be reflected in his opinions. Eliyahu
[This general reply and is not directed at Eliyahu] To get this back on topic: The original poster has never posted to RSG before this. In fact, the only 2 posts he has ever made in Usenet using that name were both blatant commercial advertisements, one to RSG and the other Rec.Sport.Tennis. These posts are virtual copies of each other, only the name of the sport was changed. If anyone is interested in checking for themselves: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:justin+author:warnock&hl=en&… — Dan Driscoll Member – NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld
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To get this back on topic: The original poster has never posted to RSG before this. In fact, the only 2 posts he has ever made in Usenet using that name were both blatant commercial advertisements, one to RSG and the other Rec.Sport.Tennis. These posts are virtual copies of each other, only the name of the sport was changed. If anyone is interested in checking for themselves: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:justin+author:warnock&hl=en&…
I personally appreciate efforts to keep advertizing off this group, because we could get inundated. The most dangerous, IMHO, are the guy who wants to sell his old putter (or whatever) and Billy Bob clubmakers. The sig thing is a bad precedent, IMHO because either of the above could make posts about the latest PGA event, for example, with the ad in their sigs. Consider: Did anyone catch the (((WHATEVER))) today. Wasn’t (((WHOEVER)) great. What great putting!!! Billy Bob makes clubs! Bang O Matic special! $99.95. Get them while supplies last! or I’m selling my Callaway 2 ball putter. $59.95. hardly used. Billy Bob especially could post regularly, but simply for the purpose of promoting his clubmaking business. (I’m not accusing anyone here, just using an example. I don’t think for a moment that anyone who regularly posts here does so to promote any business..at least since GH left town..but it could happen)) It does bug me that we jump on people who actually make things, like putters and driver heads. I would like to hear about Bang O Matic or Pegg putters or Harrison shafts or whatever right from the horses mouth. I think they would really add a lot to the newsgroup. But again, I don’t want posts from Billy Bob clubmaker telling me he has Bang O Matics or Harrison shafts for sale. There is a substantial difference here! — RSG Masters 2004 pre-preliminary format http://home.att.net/~frostback2002 RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/?rc=frostback "The privilege of a lifetime is being who you are" Joseph Campbell
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To date I have never reported anyone to their ISP for sigs. Okay, who is the nameless coward who posted my message as Spam on the RSG board. Anyone have the guts to step forward?
It was not I. It is SPAM you lowlife ass. ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk
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To date I have never reported anyone to their ISP for sigs. Okay, who is the nameless coward who posted my message as Spam on the RSG board. Anyone have the guts to step forward?
___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk
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What I’ll suggest here in my response to you and to Bobby, though this is in direct response to him, is that if commercial URL’s are in the sig and he disagrees with them, then ALL of these posts should be reported to the ‘offenders’ ISP, you can’t pick and choose which of them you don’t like and report them, while ignoring those of others.
To date I have never reported anyone to their ISP for sigs. Note that I consider Bobby a friend and don’t expect that he’ll treat me any different in his response than he would treat you. I also expect that when I see him in October at the BTI, we’ll great each other with a hearty hello and handshake. Because we can disagree and still stay on speaking terms. KT
You bet. ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kevin; You miss nothing. There is a bias here. If you want to take up the issue, you must be prepared for harassment though. I personally don’t care; as I have said many times before, it’s just words on a screen. However, I have seen too many good people, and really none of the bad people, leave because of harassment. Harassment is a violation of usenet rules just like SPAM and advertizing on non commerical groups, and you can report them if you want. It will have no effect though. The only harasser I ever complained about was one who threatened me. Just about everyone who has posted anything of substance here over any period of time has been harassed. This particular windmill is just as good as any other for tilting purposes though if you have the inclination; however be aware of the consequences, and don’t take it seriously. —
Frostback, I come here for fun and to (occasionally) tilt and get tilted at 
You’re right, everyone who posts much of any quantity will eventually be harrassed (me and you included and probably by one another). That’s part of the fun. BTW, you say ‘none of the bad people’ have left because of harrassment. I can think of two, one who’s never here anymore, and another who is almost never here. The first was obviously an extremely motivated (and talented) troll (FL) and the other is a snake oil salesman who is just this side of a troll, but I don’t think he (GH) realizes it. KT
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "If you’d like one or more of The Amazing Mental Secrets of Professional Golfers (A No-Nonsense Guide to Great Golf) by Mr. X, I’ll sell them to you for a mere $49.95 per copy. (plus $8 US shipping and add FL sales tax)?." Got an answer for that Dr. FranKilstein? Bobby, He doesn’t have that text in his message (the one posted to RSG). All he has is his website listed in his sig. Since a certain percentage of all the posters here do the same thing, shouldn’t every post of theirs be reported to their ISP also? Or am I missing something? KT I don’t agree with using sigs either…and some of my friends do it. IMHO it’s stealth spam. I’ve even suggested to some of them that they voluntarily drop the sigs that can be construed that way so there wouldn’t be any finger-pointing possible. In the meantime….posts like this one are so obvious!
IMHO, the question is really whether the person has some substantive discussion in his posts or is just here to flog his product. If someone’s just here to spam us, he should go away. OTOH, someone who just wants to talk golf ought to reasonably be able to include a link in his sig that will tell us who he is or what biases he might have, including any commercial affiliations that would be reflected in his opinions. Eliyahu
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He doesn’t have that text in his message (the one posted to RSG). All he has is his website listed in his sig. Since a certain percentage of all the posters here do the same thing, shouldn’t every post of theirs be reported to their ISP also? Or am I missing something? KT
You are missing nothing. Welcome to club favorites. Other people can post with a sig. He doesn’t like my website so it’s spam. Have the moral decency to admit that you are wrong and remove the post from the spam page. Dr. Kilstein www.golfersmind.com
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You are missing nothing. Welcome to club favorites. Other people can post with a sig. He doesn’t like my website so it’s spam. Have the moral decency to admit that you are wrong and remove the post from the spam page. Dr. Kilstein www.golfersmind.com
Nope, that’s not what he said, though you may not have seen it, as it may not have posted to your news server yet. To quote: "I don’t agree with using sigs either…and some of my friends do it. IMHO it’s stealth spam." What I’ll suggest here in my response to you and to Bobby, though this is in direct response to him, is that if commercial URL’s are in the sig and he disagrees with them, then ALL of these posts should be reported to the ‘offenders’ ISP, you can’t pick and choose which of them you don’t like and report them, while ignoring those of others. Note that I consider Bobby a friend and don’t expect that he’ll treat me any different in his response than he would treat you. I also expect that when I see him in October at the BTI, we’ll great each other with a hearty hello and handshake. Because we can disagree and still stay on speaking terms. KT
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Dr. Kilstein www.golfersmind.com Since when is quoting Golf Digest spam?
How about a quote from www.golfersmind? "If you’d like one or more of The Amazing Mental Secrets of Professional Golfers (A No-Nonsense Guide to Great Golf) by Mr. X, I’ll sell them to you for a mere $49.95 per copy. (plus $8 US shipping and add FL sales tax)?." Got an answer for that Dr. FranKilstein? ___ o ’ | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge. Ignore them and they’ll go away.
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"If you’d like one or more of The Amazing Mental Secrets of Professional Golfers (A No-Nonsense Guide to Great Golf) by Mr. X, I’ll sell them to you for a mere $49.95 per copy. (plus $8 US shipping and add FL sales tax)?." Got an answer for that Dr. FranKilstein?
Bobby, He doesn’t have that text in his message (the one posted to RSG). All he has is his website listed in his sig. Since a certain percentage of all the posters here do the same thing, shouldn’t every post of theirs be reported to their ISP also? Or am I missing something? KT
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "If you’d like one or more of The Amazing Mental Secrets of Professional Golfers (A No-Nonsense Guide to Great Golf) by Mr. X, I’ll sell them to you for a mere $49.95 per copy. (plus $8 US shipping and add FL sales tax)?." Got an answer for that Dr. FranKilstein? Bobby, He doesn’t have that text in his message (the one posted to RSG). All he has is his website listed in his sig. Since a certain percentage of all the posters here do the same thing, shouldn’t every post of theirs be reported to their ISP also? Or am I missing something? KT
Kevin; You miss nothing. There is a bias here. If you want to take up the issue, you must be prepared for harassment though. I personally don’t care; as I have said many times before, it’s just words on a screen. However, I have seen too many good people, and really none of the bad people, leave because of harassment. Harassment is a violation of usenet rules just like SPAM and advertizing on non commerical groups, and you can report them if you want. It will have no effect though. The only harasser I ever complained about was one who threatened me. Just about everyone who has posted anything of substance here over any period of time has been harassed. This particular windmill is just as good as any other for tilting purposes though if you have the inclination; however be aware of the consequences, and don’t take it seriously. — RSG Masters 2004 pre-preliminary format http://home.att.net/~frostback2002 RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/?rc=frostback "The privilege of a lifetime is being who you are" Joseph Campbell
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "If you’d like one or more of The Amazing Mental Secrets of Professional Golfers (A No-Nonsense Guide to Great Golf) by Mr. X, I’ll sell them to you for a mere $49.95 per copy. (plus $8 US shipping and add FL sales tax)?." Got an answer for that Dr. FranKilstein? Bobby, He doesn’t have that text in his message (the one posted to RSG). All he has is his website listed in his sig. Since a certain percentage of all the posters here do the same thing, shouldn’t every post of theirs be reported to their ISP also? Or am I missing something? KT
I don’t agree with using sigs either…and some of my friends do it. IMHO it’s stealth spam. I’ve even suggested to some of them that they voluntarily drop the sigs that can be construed that way so there wouldn’t be any finger-pointing possible. In the meantime….posts like this one are so obvious! ___ o ’ | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge. Ignore them and they’ll go away.
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Now, follow along closely and I’m sure you will eventually be able to understand. Ready? OK, here it comes: His COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENT was reported to his ISP because posting COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENTS to a non-commercial newsgroup is a violation of the Terms of Service Agreement and the Acceptable Use Policy that he agreed to when contracted with his ISP. The TOS and AUP are part of a contract and when he entered into that contract he agreed to abide its the terms. I simply informed the ISP that he had violated the terms of that contract and provided his post as proof of that violation. And not only would "the judge in the Phantom Tollbooth" agree with me, so would the contract administrator at his ISP, which is far more relevant. Care to try again?
Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!news.mailgate.org!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjse rv.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not -for-mail Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.199.134.18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054660857 21595 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2003 17:20:57 GMT) Xref: uni-berlin.de rec.sport.golf:697796 Here’s what Tiger finally revealed in Golf Digest, (December 2002) page 158: "Woods’ ability to produce peak performance by ‘willing myself into the zone’ is unprecedented… And at age 13, Tiger began mental training with Dr. Jay Brunza, a family friend and psychologist… Among the techniques Brunza used were subliminal tapes and hypnosis. ‘The first time Jay hypnotized Tiger, he had him stick his arm straight out and told him that it couldn’t be moved, ‘Earl [Tiger's father] says. ‘I tried, but I couldn’t pull it down. [Tiger says hypnosis is] ‘inherent in what I do now.’" What Brunza did is a simple suggestability exercise. That was the begining. Since age 13, Tiger has perfected this aspect of his game. In practicing hypnosis so often Tiger has set his game on auto-pilot. Dr. Kilstein www.golfersmind.com Note: This spam log began on August 1, 2002. Since logging is done manually, it may not be complete. Please explain where the SPAM in the above post is? This was copied from the RSG Spam list. Which RSG Spam Nazi wants to come forward and claim this as his work? Since when is quoting Golf Digest spam?
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Now, please feel free to display your ignorance, again. Nah, having seen your definition of Spam, there’s nothing to worry about.
<clip long explanation of difference between spam and advertisement) Care to try again?
It’ll be a while before he responds, Dan. His lips will be moving while he reads your treatise, and that takes time. :-) ___ o ’ | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge. Ignore them and they’ll go away.
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Don’t worry. The bozos who think they own the newsgroup forward anything they disagree with.
If they were offering the service for free, I am pretty sure that they wouldn’t be getting that many complaints from the people in here. The fact of the matter is that it is a pay-for-use service, thus, the post is an advertisement. — Marcel Beaudoin & Moogli ‘Kamikaze Pilot Wanted: Experienced only need apply.’
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<his usual crud Kilstein: what an appropriate name!
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Now, please feel free to display your ignorance, again. Nah, having seen your definition of Spam, there’s nothing to worry about. Even the judge in the Phantom Tollbooth who yelled guilty all the time would disagree with you.
Congratulations! I KNEW you could do it! Now listen up and I’ll explain it to you in simple terms, so you can understand. First, I did not accuse the original poster of spamming, nor did I call his post spam. I made a factual statement that his post was a COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENT (can you say commercial advertisement?). A commercial advertisement is not necessarily spam and no where will you be able to find a statement from me claiming that all commercial advertisements are spam, because I have never made such a statement. Now, follow along closely and I’m sure you will eventually be able to understand. Ready? OK, here it comes: His COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENT was reported to his ISP because posting COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENTS to a non-commercial newsgroup is a violation of the Terms of Service Agreement and the Acceptable Use Policy that he agreed to when contracted with his ISP. The TOS and AUP are part of a contract and when he entered into that contract he agreed to abide its the terms. I simply informed the ISP that he had violated the terms of that contract and provided his post as proof of that violation. And not only would "the judge in the Phantom Tollbooth" agree with me, so would the contract administrator at his ISP, which is far more relevant. Care to try again? — Dan Driscoll Member – NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <advertisement snipped This is a non-commecrial newsgroup. Posting commercial advertisements to non-commercial newsgroups is a violation of your Internet Service Provider’s Acceptable Use Policy and Terms of Service Agreement. A copy of your advertisement has been forwarded to your ISP. Don’t worry. The bozos who think they own the newsgroup forward anything they disagree with. Sometimes it’s advertising. Sometimes it’s not. They don’t care.
Then there are the bozos who haven’t a clue. Ed.D? Who gives a damn?
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Don’t worry.
He’d better worry. ISP are especially strict about their TOS and AU policies when it comes to their commercial customers. Now, please feel free to display your ignorance, again. — Dan Driscoll Member – NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld
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Don’t worry. He’d better worry. ISP are especially strict about their TOS and AU policies when it comes to their commercial customers. Now, please feel free to display your ignorance, again.
Nah, having seen your definition of Spam, there’s nothing to worry about. Even the judge in the Phantom Tollbooth who yelled guilty all the time would disagree with you.
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<advertisement snipped This is a non-commecrial newsgroup. Posting commercial advertisements to non-commercial newsgroups is a violation of your Internet Service Provider’s Acceptable Use Policy and Terms of Service Agreement. A copy of your advertisement has been forwarded to your ISP.
Don’t worry. The bozos who think they own the newsgroup forward anything they disagree with. Sometimes it’s advertising. Sometimes it’s not. They don’t care.
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<advertisement snipped This is a non-commecrial newsgroup. Posting commercial advertisements to non-commercial newsgroups is a violation of your Internet Service Provider’s Acceptable Use Policy and Terms of Service Agreement. A copy of your advertisement has been forwarded to your ISP. — Dan Driscoll Member – NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld
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