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New Driver = Merry Christmas!

admin — Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Well the C4 showed up today – it is one pretty club and feels really great. Too bad the weather is going cold for Christmas! — Jerry Jerry E. Wesch Chicago

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Christmas present to me! Callaway C4 11*, firm. To go in the new Datrek carry bag my honey bought me for Christmas. Can’t wait for our trip to a warm place for our anniversary in February! Chicago is really too cold for my old bones. And the snow is too deep for winter golf… Happy Holidays to the RSG network – you provide me with endless information and entertainment! Thanks! — Jerry Jerry E. Wesch Chicago

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opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. v

New Nike/Tiger commercials

admin — Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Actually, Barkley can’t. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – can…..

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – More like new Nike UglyAsSin irons. Those were the new Nike SlingShot irons Actually, have you seen one in person? They do look like hell from the back, but you put ‘em on the ground and for a huge Callaway-esque improvement iron, they look pretty damn good, IMHO. A little thick on the top line for my taste but not much offset, a real clean look on the face, and not too much junk in the trunk. Pretty is as pretty does though. I tried about 20-30 balls with a 7 iron demo….didn’t work for me when comparing to the same club from my Cleveland TA-3s. A soft shaft maybe. I hit everything nice and high, but about 20 yards right….and I was hitting it solid that day too. — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson

Yeah, I saw them at Pro Golf and Dick’s just the other day. That thing on the back is just, well, weird. It looks and feels like it would damage very easy IMO. I did set up with it, and while you can’t really see that thing, I agree about the thick topline. I just don’t think I could even think about using them…just ugly. Maybe with a few beers they may look better.

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More like new Nike UglyAsSin irons. Those were the new Nike SlingShot irons

Actually, have you seen one in person? They do look like hell from the back, but you put ‘em on the ground and for a huge Callaway-esque improvement iron, they look pretty damn good, IMHO. A little thick on the top line for my taste but not much offset, a real clean look on the face, and not too much junk in the trunk. Pretty is as pretty does though. I tried about 20-30 balls with a 7 iron demo….didn’t work for me when comparing to the same club from my Cleveland TA-3s. A soft shaft maybe. I hit everything nice and high, but about 20 yards right….and I was hitting it solid that day too. — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson

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U R a twit!

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can….. Kenny

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone asked earlier–they are up on the nikegolf.com site. I think I’ll add the "clean-up on aisle 5" crack to my repertoire. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd

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can…..

Those were the new Nike SlingShot irons

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More like new Nike UglyAsSin irons. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – can….. Those were the new Nike SlingShot irons

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Look here http://www.nikegolf.com/?media/ads.htm&video=20 http://www.nike.com/nikegolf/nikegolf.html?media/ads.htm&video=19 John

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LOL 19 is hilarious, never saw that before..was it ever on TV or did the animal people squash it? Thanks Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Look here http://www.nikegolf.com/?media/ads.htm&video=20 http://www.nike.com/nikegolf/nikegolf.html?media/ads.htm&video=19 John Someone asked earlier–they are up on the nikegolf.com site. I think I’ll add the "clean-up on aisle 5" crack to my repertoire. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd

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Someone asked earlier–they are up on the nikegolf.com site. I think I’ll add the "clean-up on aisle 5" crack to my repertoire. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd

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Clary, quoting a Nike commercial is NOT a repertoire. It is however, typical of the wit of the average golfer.

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If the shaft is everything…then which shaft?

admin — Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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I have a Callaway BBII driver in 9 degrees and a firm System 60 shaft. Is there a better proven combination that I should consider? There are so many options and little way to test them before buying. Your experiences and opinions will be appreciated.

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Callaway is not famous for having great shafts. Lots of Callaways have been reshafted. How do you find the best shaft for you? If you can’t test them out, then you either need to find a clubfitter who will make a recommendation, or ask for advice (are you doing that? In my experience, "firm" in Callaways aren’t all that firm. Those designations–stiff, regular, senior, firm, whatever–have no real relation to any standard. One company’s "regular" can in fact be stiffer than another company’s "Stiff." Further, since stiffness varies even within a single shaft (meaning it can be as much as 1/2 flex different orienting the shaft one way as opposed to another), you really need a way to quantify what flex is really the best for you. If you were going to build another club, I’d suggest a couple of options for you (knowing that you’re hitting a "Firm" flex in your BBII and apparently it’s not too bad. You might look at a Grafalloy Prolite 45 in regular flex or a Fujikura Vista Pro 70 in regular flex (the Fuji will play a bit stiffer). The Grafalloy is a good mid-price-range shaft, probably be on the low side of flex for the range you’d be in. The Fuji would be on the higher side of that range. Another consideration: Torque of a shaft means how much it twists during a swing. A very low torque shaft looks like a desirable thing, but it may not necessarily be. A low-torque regular-flex shaft can play stiffer than a high torque "stiff" shaft. The two I mentioned above are not overly low in torque, though the Fuji will be lower in torque. What’s the difference between the two? The Fuji shafts are much more consistent shaft-to-shaft than the Grafalloys are. That’s just part of the price differential (the Prolite 45 costs ‘prox $28, the Fuji ‘prox $65). One final note: If you’re thinking of reshafting a bore-through, your clubmaker will have to take that into consideration. Depending on how it’s done, it can make a shaft play much stiffer than you’d expect. Therefore, you must test it in the same kind of situation–or have the clubmaker be cognizant of the actual flex you have during testing and match that flex when he builds the club. Mike — Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2003 Information: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2003 RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean!

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Do you hit the driver well? Is there something that you’re specifically trying to achieve with a different shaft? Ron

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Golf Ball Features

admin — Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I like fewer dimples on my balls, but you’d never know because I keep my fly zipped up. Hmmm. A "Miss" with balls. What circus freak show did you escape from? Nobody said "He" was a "Miss" mis

FS: "The Education Of A Woman Golfer" Nancy Lopez out-of-print Book

admin — Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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I have for sale the out-of-print, 1st. edtion, hardcover, autobiography "The Education Of A Woman Golfer" By Nancy Lopez (1979). The 1st. edition contains 191 pages of text as well as black and white photographs dealing with the life and career of LPGA’s Nancy Lopez. The out-of-print, 1st. edtion, hardcover, is in very good condition. Price $35. US plus postage.

That’s great, Jim, but the same book can be found at bookfinder.com (yes, first edition) at prices ranging anywhere from $4.95 to $10.00. Gerry

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"The Education Of A Woman Golfer" Nancy Lopez out-of-print Book I have for sale the out-of-print, 1st. edtion, hardcover, autobiography "The Education Of A Woman Golfer" By Nancy Lopez (1979). The 1st. edition contains 191 pages of text as well as black and white photographs dealing with the life and career of LPGA’s Nancy Lopez. The out-of-print, 1st. edtion, hardcover, is in very good condition. Price $35. US plus postage. Please include your "postal mailing address" so I can calculate postage costs to your destination. Thank you.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m sure that this is a fine book, but have you looked at any of the posts from the past few days? Someone is going to send a message to your ISP (not me, I could care less) because you had the audacity to see if anyone in a golf discussion group wanted to purchase a golf book. Lee Harris can give you a play by play of how that felt. -G Wrong! This post was sent to the correct news group, and it wasn’t sent to the golf discussion group. That’s where Harris fouled up, he should’ve posted here. bk This is only the second post I got in Rec.sport.golf since Nov25 it seems All the newsgroups are being cencored, and today is Dec 12 What gives???

You haven’t missed much. Go check google.

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I’m sure that this is a fine book, but have you looked at any of the posts from the past few days? Someone is going to send a message to your ISP (not me, I could care less) because you had the audacity to see if anyone in a golf discussion group wanted to purchase a golf book. Lee Harris can give you a play by play of how that felt. -G Wrong! This post was sent to the correct news group, and it wasn’t sent to the golf discussion group. That’s where Harris fouled up, he should’ve posted here. bk

This is only the second post I got in Rec.sport.golf since Nov25 it seems All the newsgroups are being cencored, and today is Dec 12 What gives???

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Gee, the autobiography of a golfer is out of print? I’M SHOCKED! I’ll bet Nancy couldn’t even get her Mom to read it.

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Gee, the autobiography of a golfer is out of print? I’M SHOCKED! I’ll bet Nancy couldn’t even get her Mom to read it.

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In addition to this great book, check this out! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIte &item=2208459702&category= Man, USENET is great…millions of people can see all the golf bargains available!!!!! Thanks RSG for a great group!!!!!!!

___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ Oh, I’m sorry George but you get zero points for originality on this signature post. Come back again next year and try again. Putz ! - - Make more long putts It drives your opponents crazy Larry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lee, do you want to break the news to him? Something tells me he ain’t gonna care. From Google: Newsgroup: rec.collecting.sport.misc << Back | No frame | Sort by date 1 Jim Sinclair Sep 7, 1998 2 Jim Sinclair Feb 1, 1999 3 Jim Sinclair Feb 26, 1999 4 Jim Sinclair Aug 2, 1999 5 Jim Sinclair Dec 19, 1999 6 Jim Sinclair Feb 28, 2000 7 Jim Sinclair Mar 25, 2000 8 Jim Sinclair Jul 1, 2000 9 Jim Sinclair Oct 28, 2000 10 Jim Sinclair Nov 6, 2000 11 Jim Sinclair Feb 28, 2001 12 Jim Sinclair Aug 6, 2001 13 Jim Sinclair Aug 14, 2001 14 Jim Sinclair Jan 23, 2002 15 Jim Sinclair Jul 11, 2002 16 Jim Sinclair Aug 5, 2002 17 Jim Sinclair Jan 5, 2003 18 Jim Sinclair Jun 30, 2003 19 J.R. Sinclair Dec 8, 2003

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2208459702&categor… Man, USENET is great…millions of people can see all the golf bargains available!!!!! Thanks RSG for a great group!!!!!!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << Back | No frame | Sort by date 1 Jim Sinclair Sep 7, 1998 2 Jim Sinclair Feb 1, 1999 3 Jim Sinclair Feb 26, 1999 4 Jim Sinclair Aug 2, 1999 5 Jim Sinclair Dec 19, 1999 6 Jim Sinclair Feb 28, 2000 7 Jim Sinclair Mar 25, 2000 8 Jim Sinclair Jul 1, 2000 9 Jim Sinclair Oct 28, 2000 10 Jim Sinclair Nov 6, 2000 11 Jim Sinclair Feb 28, 2001 12 Jim Sinclair Aug 6, 2001 13 Jim Sinclair Aug 14, 2001 14 Jim Sinclair Jan 23, 2002 15 Jim Sinclair Jul 11, 2002 16 Jim Sinclair Aug 5, 2002 17 Jim Sinclair Jan 5, 2003 18 Jim Sinclair Jun 30, 2003 19 J.R. Sinclair Dec 8, 2003

Really workin hard to sell that book?

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BK, Check to X-postings KT

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If you look in google, you will see that this guy has made the same post, word for word, on a semiannual basis for the last five years.

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Wrong! This post was sent to the correct news group, and it wasn’t sent to the golf discussion group. That’s where Harris fouled up, he should’ve posted here. bk

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Lee, do you want to break the news to him?

Something tells me he ain’t gonna care. From Google: Newsgroup: rec.collecting.sport.misc << Back | No frame | Sort by date 1 Jim Sinclair Sep 7, 1998 2 Jim Sinclair Feb 1, 1999 3 Jim Sinclair Feb 26, 1999 4 Jim Sinclair Aug 2, 1999 5 Jim Sinclair Dec 19, 1999 6 Jim Sinclair Feb 28, 2000 7 Jim Sinclair Mar 25, 2000 8 Jim Sinclair Jul 1, 2000 9 Jim Sinclair Oct 28, 2000 10 Jim Sinclair Nov 6, 2000 11 Jim Sinclair Feb 28, 2001 12 Jim Sinclair Aug 6, 2001 13 Jim Sinclair Aug 14, 2001 14 Jim Sinclair Jan 23, 2002 15 Jim Sinclair Jul 11, 2002 16 Jim Sinclair Aug 5, 2002 17 Jim Sinclair Jan 5, 2003 18 Jim Sinclair Jun 30, 2003 19 J.R. Sinclair Dec 8, 2003

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"The Education Of A Woman Golfer" Nancy Lopez out-of-print Book I have for sale the out-of-print, 1st edtion, hardcover, autobiography "The Education Of A Woman Golfer" By Nancy Lopez (1979). The 1st edition contains 191 pages of text as well as black and white photographs profiling the life and career of LPGA’s Nancy Lopez. Price $30. US plus postage Please include your "postal mailing address" so I can calculate postage costs to your destination. Thank you

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Lee, do you want to break the news to him?

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How many rounds do you play in a year?

admin — Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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When I worked full time I think we figured about 80 rounds a year (every saturday/sunday it’s remotely possible to play plus a dozen midweek rounds. Now it’s probably twice that given I work part time and any reasonable day I go out and play. Doubling the amount of play probably dropped me a couple of shots (10 index to 8 index mid season). On the other hand going from 3 or 4 rounds a year to 80 when my wife decided she liked golf got me 10 shots. I wonder what the typical relationship between rounds played and average score is. I’d guess like my experience there’s a huge difference between playing less than once a month and playing once or twice a week, because if you don’t play enough and in particular play the same course enough it’s hard to really get a feel for where you want to be and how your short game shots will go, but beyond a certain point further improvement depends more on fixing your broken swing and overcoming your natural limitations than playing smarter — http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery )

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I have averaged 130 rounds for the last 5 years. Before that about 100 a year for 10 years. I walk all the time and have gone thru so many shoes it is incredible.

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ).

60 last year. That counts golf during our winter vacations. Taz

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ). 60 last year. That counts golf during our winter vacations. Taz

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says… :I enjoy golf immensely now. I pay a yearly fee for unlimited golf so I play :golf 3 days a week usually. I practice the other 4 days. If you could let me :know how to get another couple of days into the week I would practice some :more : You need to lay on a night shift, Dave. How about your wife buys you floodlights for Christmas? Plus, there’s always practising your putting on the basement rug. You can do that more or less around the clock. Works best on a closely mown "berber". jmkanes

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… :I enjoy golf immensely now. I pay a yearly fee for unlimited golf so I play :golf 3 days a week usually. I practice the other 4 days. If you could let me :know how to get another couple of days into the week I would practice some :more : You need to lay on a night shift, Dave. How about your wife buys you floodlights for Christmas? Plus, there’s always practising your putting on the basement rug. You can do that more or less around the clock. Works best on a closely mown "berber". jmkanes

I’m in the process of putting in a backyard putting green now…floodlights, now there’s a great idea! thanks!! Dave

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I played at the local Putt-Putt about 25 years ago. As I recall, the windmill hole was a real bitch.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ). I don’t know if people are counting 9 holes as a "round" but all the responses seem high to me. I guess that’s what I get for living in Michigan, where we play from maybe April to end of October, with a few nice days thrown in in November. Anyway, I checked my handicap online, and it shows that I have 43 18-hole rounds posted this year, with Oct 10 being the last. I think you folks need to PRACTICE more. If you’re playing 125 times a year, how about taking 20 of those rounds, say at $30 or so, and spending that $600 on lessons??? I think you’d enjoy golf much more.

I enjoy golf immensely now. I pay a yearly fee for unlimited golf so I play golf 3 days a week usually. I practice the other 4 days. If you could let me know how to get another couple of days into the week I would practice some more — Dave Jones RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=jonesd

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? So far this year I have played 70 rounds.

I normally play 70-75, but have only played 61 so far this year, according to my card. This doesn’t count scrambles or a few practice rounds. I’ll probably get in 1-2 more before the end of the month. — Dan Driscoll Member – NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ).

I don’t know if people are counting 9 holes as a "round" but all the responses seem high to me. I guess that’s what I get for living in Michigan, where we play from maybe April to end of October, with a few nice days thrown in in November. Anyway, I checked my handicap online, and it shows that I have 43 18-hole rounds posted this year, with Oct 10 being the last. I think you folks need to PRACTICE more. If you’re playing 125 times a year, how about taking 20 of those rounds, say at $30 or so, and spending that $600 on lessons??? I think you’d enjoy golf much more.

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ). My wife and I play around 200 18 hole rounds a year, some 9 holes included in that i.e. we go to the course (we live 300 metres or so from it) 4-5 days a week minimum.

Does she have a sister? :-) I played 156 times this year — 106 full rounds and 50 9-holers. Not bad for a 6-month season plus two or three vacations. Doug — ___, Doug Massey, ASIC Digital Logic Designer o IBM Microelectronics Division, Burlington, Vermont | | Phone: (802)769-7095 t/l: 446-7095 fax: x6752 | / | . My homepage: http://doug.obscurestuff.com (|)

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ).

So far this year I have played 70 rounds.

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ).

+130 this year. From reading the previous how far do you drive thread mileage doesn’t seem to have any bearing on quantity of rounds for most people. Most of ‘03 my drive to the course was 45 miles round trip. It’s now a cart ride across the street, but I am playing the same number of rounds per week. Being close does make getting in more practice a bit easier though — Dave Jones RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=jonesd

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75 maybe, some are on 9-hole courses. I too practice more than I play. But I go through periods of playing more, mostly in the summer when the prices are lower. tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ).

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ).

My wife and I play around 200 18 hole rounds a year, some 9 holes included in that i.e. we go to the course (we live 300 metres or so from it) 4-5 days a week minimum. Guess what our hobby is? Corowakid

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ).

Normally 125 rounds/yr. with practice on the off days. This summer, maybe half that figure with only 2 days of practice. I haven’t played since early October. Normally, I’d be playing 2-3 rounds a week, all year round. Priorities change…… -Greg

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ).

Probably around 100. I still suck, though. Kenny — Kenny Stultz – Troll and SPAM intolerant RSG Rollcall: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=stultzk "Golf is the only sport where a precise knowledge of the Rules can earn one a reputation for poor sportsmanship"

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ).

I average about six. I played 5 times a week for 25 years, but pretty much packed it in in 1990. I just got too busy at work and it was hard to stay competitive so I’ve just been dabbling when I feel the urge. I’m thinking seriously of playing next season though. Bruce Bruce E. Newman * Fredericton, NB, Canada http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=newmanb info at brucenewman dot com * http://brucenewman.com

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: Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. : So–how many rounds do you play in a year? : : I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ). : : : About 90 so far this year. You’d think I’d be better at it by now… — http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=oinesroald Please remove the under_scores if sending me mail.

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3-4 times a year. Dang I need to be out there more often, I WANT to be out there more often.

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ).

I’d guess about 80-90. I’d like to break 100. :) Mike — Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2003 Information: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2003 RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean!

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". Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ).

But that’s about how many movies I go to in a year as well. Gotta go! Gutters need to be cleaned out. Not much time left.

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I play about 80 rounds 1/2 in Wisconsin and 1/2 in Florida (hoefully soon) Tom

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I’ve played as many as 100ish, but have been more limited the last two years by back problems, work, etc. I played around 60 last year and 50 this year. That will probably be the new pattern for me, as I am not renewing my membership and am getting married this year. Chris

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Interesting comments from folks about how far they drive to play golf. So–how many rounds do you play in a year? I play 25 rounds a year. ( hit balls at a range more than that ).

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? for the Darksiders re: shaft cutting.

admin — Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Nevertheless, he advertises his golf club business in a usenet group dedicated to golf. And gets a free pass from the bare knuckle boys, the Spam Police.

He doesn’t advertise it, he says where he’s coming from. This is important, because it means all his comments will be seen in that perspective. If I worked for, say, Callaway, I would put that affiliation in my .signature, because it would be important for this group. I think some his *posts* constitute Spam. What does everyone think when he gives a *great* recommendation for BangoMatic (sp?) drivers, made from components.

See what I mean? It’s a good thing that Mike tells us in his .signature that he is building clubs. Apart from that, he’s free to play anything he likes and he plays the Bang-O-Matic driver. Even if he built it himself and even if he would build one for you, he can still like it and say so here. Surely you aren’t expecting him to build clubs that he doesn’t believe in? What he doesn’t say is if you want one, he’s your man. I think he’s relying on people to put two and two together.

And some people fail at that offended however, by the treatment that Nicolas the "photo website diary" poster received at the hands of the band of thugs here.

Some people overreacted, I agree. But a band of thugs they are not. Ulrich

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The Spam Police lost a lot of goodwill with their unwarranted (largely anyway) pummeling of Nicholas. WTF? What about Mike’s club business? That all added up to my first post on this subject. Here’s what I will do. I will not harass Mike, I’ve got better things to do than read his posts anyway – no offence, I’m just not interested in club making. Anytime I see someone getting beat up for Spam though, *even if it is justified*, I will repost my opinion on "Mike and Spamming" that I wrote in my previous post. I dislike all Spam. You should too. You’re like a cop who lets his buddies off when he catches them.

Screw you! I was the first to call attention to the fact that this web site had advertising attached….and I didn’t blame Nick. H changed hosting companies, and now its a great site…just pics of golf without having to worry about pop-ups and advertisements. I’m not an advocate of using sigs with one’s commercial interest in them, but its been an accepted practice here for a long time. But you wouldn’t know that. Post away with your opinions, no one cares. As far as SPAM police go, they’re the main reason that you can come here without a plethora of crappy ads that you have to wade through. ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk

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Here’s what I will do. I will not harass Mike, I’ve got better things to do than read his posts anyway – no offence, I’m just not interested in club making. Anytime I see someone getting beat up for Spam though, *even if it is justified*, I will repost my opinion on "Mike and Spamming" that I wrote in my previous post.

And by doing so, will be far more disruptive than any true spam would be. I dislike all Spam. You should too. You’re like a cop who lets his buddies off when he catches them.

I’ll make up my own mind on what I do and do not like You’re like a cop who lets his buddies off when he catches them.

Sorry, but that’s bullshit. I do no such thing. The only time I ever say anything here about spam is when someone makes a lame attempt at stealth spam–the "I found a great website" post when the poster is the owner of the site. As a matter of fact, Mike and I have been on opposite sides of spam discussions in the past. My only concern is that I’d rather not see RSG become a place that is so full of advertising that it’s hard to find golf discussion. If you say you dislike spam, there has to be a reason. That’s mine. We’ve had people come in here and post a bunch of one liners (like ‘what’s your favorite irons?) just so they could put a link to an ebay auction in their sig file. That to me is abusing the system. I don’t know how long Mike has been posting here but it’s more than 4.5 years because that’s how long I’ve been participating. You, on the other hand, have been posting here less than a year best I can tell. If you’d been here than that you’d realize that Mike’s posting pattern has been rather consistent throughout. He isn’t suddenly posting about club making–he’s been doing so for years. Lot’s of other folks have started making their own clubs (me included) because of Mike’s encouragement. The fact that he has a link to his club making enterprise (again–a result of unsolicited demand) has not changed the kind of things he’s been posting about for years. That’s why I think your barking up the wrong tree here. Is he profiting from having that line in his sig? I bet he is. Does it do anything to degrade the quality of exchange in RSG. No! And that’s the bottom line. You are not being forced to read any advertising. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :I didn’t have a :problem with Nicholas site either but it’s like your doing this to exact some :revenge. : :My gripe isn’t with your forged vs cast take, it’s with the general swipe at :custom clubmakers saying that you’re likely to buy crap from them. Guess what? :You can buy excellent forged clubs via the component route as well with a better :chance that the clubs will be well matched. Earlier in the thread, brad (bless :his soul) agreed with ME on that point. By the way, I play Golfsmith forged :cavity backs. : ave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx :Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary :RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd : Revenge? Well, I must admit Mike lost a little goodwill when he tried to put the squelch on discussions of golf mechanics, especially his crack about good golfers on the group not posting to those discussions. He lost a little more when he *himself* started a thread about golf mechanics. The Spam Police lost a lot of goodwill with their unwarranted (largely anyway) pummeling of Nicholas. WTF? What about Mike’s club business? That all added up to my first post on this subject. Here’s what I will do. I will not harass Mike, I’ve got better things to do than read his posts anyway – no offence, I’m just not interested in club making. Anytime I see someone getting beat up for Spam though, *even if it is justified*, I will repost my opinion on "Mike and Spamming" that I wrote in my previous post. I dislike all Spam. You should too. You’re like a cop who lets his buddies off when he catches them. Good golf to all. jmkanes

Are you as weird as you seem?

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:I didn’t have a :problem with Nicholas site either but it’s like your doing this to exact some :revenge. : :My gripe isn’t with your forged vs cast take, it’s with the general swipe at :custom clubmakers saying that you’re likely to buy crap from them. Guess what? :You can buy excellent forged clubs via the component route as well with a better :chance that the clubs will be well matched. Earlier in the thread, brad (bless :his soul) agreed with ME on that point. By the way, I play Golfsmith forged :cavity backs. : ave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx :Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary :RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd : Revenge? Well, I must admit Mike lost a little goodwill when he tried to put the squelch on discussions of golf mechanics, especially his crack about good golfers on the group not posting to those discussions. He lost a little more when he *himself* started a thread about golf mechanics. The Spam Police lost a lot of goodwill with their unwarranted (largely anyway) pummeling of Nicholas. WTF? What about Mike’s club business? That all added up to my first post on this subject. Here’s what I will do. I will not harass Mike, I’ve got better things to do than read his posts anyway – no offence, I’m just not interested in club making. Anytime I see someone getting beat up for Spam though, *even if it is justified*, I will repost my opinion on "Mike and Spamming" that I wrote in my previous post. I dislike all Spam. You should too. You’re like a cop who lets his buddies off when he catches them. Good golf to all. jmkanes

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My definition of spamming is posting in a news group or posting emails to create business.

Well we obviously aren’t going to change each other’s mind so I guess it’s pointless to continue. But I’m going to throw in last comment. Mike has been posting here for several years–long before he started a basement club building business. His signature does NOTHING do disrupt this group and it is an accepted practice to put it in. I don’t see what there is to gain by continuing to bring it up and disrupting threads that were about golf. I didn’t have a problem with Nicholas site either but it’s like your doing this to exact some revenge. I’m not trying to mislead anyone by promoting forged golf clubs, just trying to even up the sides a bit.

My gripe isn’t with your forged vs cast take, it’s with the general swipe at custom clubmakers saying that you’re likely to buy crap from them. Guess what? You can buy excellent forged clubs via the component route as well with a better chance that the clubs will be well matched. Earlier in the thread, brad (bless his soul) agreed with ME on that point. By the way, I play Golfsmith forged cavity backs. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let’s see. In most of his posts about clubmaking, he goes out of his way to explain to others how they can do it themselves. In this thread he was thanked by another poster for showing him a better way to do something. Yep, that’s a hell of a business plan. By most people’s definition, a spammer is someone who’s sole purpose for posting in an NG (or sending emails) is to create business If you had a clue, you’d realize MD doesn’t fit in that category. He was contributing here long before he hung up his clubdoctor shingle, and his clubmaking venture is basically a result of "unsolicited" requests by members of this NG during the Integra frenzy. Of course, that all happened long before you started posting here which would at least partially explain your ignorance. As long as I’m dishing out smack I might as well throw in one more. Your take on the "cast vs forged" thing is bs. I’m out! (uh oh, to much Jim Rome this week). Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx

Two separate issues here, "Mike and Spamming" and then my take on "cast vs forged." Mike and Spamming My definition of spamming is posting in a news group or posting emails to create business. Your definition, including the words "sole purpose" opens the door to someone to use a little finesse to avoid the label. Usenet news groups will suffer if spam of any kind is tolerated. Mike is obviously an intelligent, tricky guy. His spam, in his signature is followed right up with a plea to "not tolerate spammers, help keep RSG spam free." You tend to walk away with the idea that this is a great guy, fighting spam right to the last line of his post. Nevertheless, he advertises his golf club business in a usenet group dedicated to golf. And gets a free pass from the bare knuckle boys, the Spam Police. I think some his *posts* constitute Spam. What does everyone think when he gives a *great* recommendation for BangoMatic (sp?) drivers, made from components. He knows that a few guys will make one for themselves out of components, but he is probably aware that many people would lack the confidence to "build their own" and just say, what the hell, why not just buy one from Mike? He complains about threads or posts about golf mechanics, says he never reads them, none of the great players on the group post to golf mechanics threads, blah, blah. I think that’s trying to discourage threads about golf mechanics, right? Why then does he himself start one about golf mechanics, or at least about swing videos concerning golf mechanics – all about AJ or something, just the *best*. Why? so he can slip in another plug for the Bangomatic driver. What he doesn’t say is if you want one, he’s your man. I think he’s relying on people to put two and two together. I think all his posts are SPAM, because of the signature. Some are doubly so, because of the obvious promotion of stuff he is capable of supplying to people, for profit – all the while presenting a squeaky clean "friend of rec.sport.golf". Gimme a break. I have been onto Mike for quite a while on this, but was content to just shrug my shoulders – there’s worse stuff happening in the world. I was offended however, by the treatment that Nicolas the "photo website diary" poster received at the hands of the band of thugs here. He was posting something for peoples entertainment only. Trying to run it on a shoestring, he apparently went for a "free website" that had popups as the "real" price. He had nothing to gain, other than saving himself $5 per month on the website fee. You would think he was a child molester by the treatment he got from the dreaded Spam Police. All the while Mike is running a probably *thriving* golf club business right here in our midst, where he walks on water. Well, fair is fair. He’s a SPAMMER, albeit a sophisticated and subtle one. He knows enough to include a warning against the evils of SPAM in his signature. He knows enough to throw in a few golf only posts before renewing his effort to promote his bangowhatevers. In other words, he’s a cagey guy, but still a SPAMMER. I’d rank him about a 50-60 percent spammer, compared to Nicolas who was about 2 percent. Fair is fair. If we’re against Spam, lets apply the rules to everyone, roughly equally. I’m not going to get off Mike’s case. The time limit is up on getting off the hook with his "declarations" and he doesn’t seem interested anyway, preferring to lie low and rely on his buddies to put up the "pristine image" for him. Mike’s probably a good guy, I don’t know. Certainly he’s made some good posts. But he is a spammer. I’m against spam in all it’s forms, subtle or blatant. Cast vs Forged As I said in one of my recent posts, forged carbon steel irons are losing the marketing wars pretty badly, as a result of some very good marketing and some fortunate quirks of fate. The fortunate quirk of fate is that they have been blessed with the moniker "game improvement irons". That is really fortunate – it gives the impression that if you’ve got a set of these babies, you hardly have to show up at the golf course – the clubs will shoot a nice 76 for you – on their own. Meanwhile, the forged blades are getting hung with the notion that you’ve got to be Tiger Woods or Ernie Els to play them. Wrong also. In an earlier edition of this discussion, *glfnaz*, bless his heart, pointed everyone to a golf magazine test, which tested forged blades against cast "game improvement" irons. The test conclusively proved that the game improvement irons don’t live up to the hype. The forged blades won the battle with tighter shot dispersions from a variety of flush and mis-hit shots compared to the cast, perimeter weighted clubs. Pardon me if I have misrepresented the test in any way – I still haven’t seen the article myself, I relying on my memory of the account given by glfnaz. Help me out again, glfnaz? I’m not trying to mislead anyone by promoting forged golf clubs, just trying to even up the sides a bit. I’m just suggesting that people give them a try, they might be pleasantly surprised. That said, my *opinion* is that they are better equipment than investment cast. Usenet groups are to allow people to express opinions and all are welcome, no? Eventually the truth will surface in people’s minds. Of all those wonderful golfers playing in the President’s cup today, I sure didn’t see many sets of investment cast. Charles Howell is the only one I can remember. At least I’m telling people what I honestly believe and yes I *have* hit balls with a certain famous brand of investment cast – didn’t like them but you are free to differ. I’ve also owned a set of stainless steel irons (remember wilson x31?). Didn’t like them either, no comparison to soft carbon steel, feelwise. They also had aluminum shafts (double ugh). As far as *clone* clubs are concerned, I read recently in one of the golf magazines (can’t remember which one but I will scurry around looking – to try to find an exact page citation and report back) an item warning people away from these – they can consist of a real hodge podge of mismatched golf clubs. Buyer beware. Guys that play with investment cast clubs and like them – that’s just great. Good for you, you have lots of company. Guys that are seeking advice of what to buy – look for me to promote forged carbon steel, for the *best* feedback, and for equipment that the best players in the world rely on to get the job done in the clutch. Why shouldn’t you have the best, when you know they are going to perform better than the others on day one(see test result above), and on every day after that – forever, right up to your appearance in the President’s Cup. Sorry for the wordy post and the delay in responding – these are important issues (calling somebody a spammer is serious) and standing up for my opinions is also important (to me). They require thought and care – plus I wuz watching the Presidents cup on TV (glad I didn’t miss a minute). Conclusion Whether I seem harsh to some of you out there or not, I consider myself to be a "live and let live" type guy. My late wife told me once I was "generous to a fault". Probably Mike doesn’t think so. I have a sense of justice though, and Nicolas didn’t deserve the pounding he took. The Spam Police should dispense justice more evenhandedly. Good golf to all. jmkanes

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What, no declaration of "no intent to drum up business"? Not surprised. OK, you’re not *technically* in violation of any anti-spamming rule. How about this then? Change the last line of your signature to read: "I do not patronize spammers, but I want everyone to patronize me. Help keep RSG clean (except for me)." How about that? That would add a bit of honesty, always a good thing.

Let’s see. In most of his posts about clubmaking, he goes out of his way to explain to others how they can do it themselves. In this thread he was thanked by another poster for showing him a better way to do something. Yep, that’s a hell of a business plan. By most people’s definition, a spammer is someone who’s sole purpose for posting in an NG (or sending emails) is to create business If you had a clue, you’d realize MD doesn’t fit in that category. He was contributing here long before he hung up his clubdoctor shingle, and his clubmaking venture is basically a result of "unsolicited" requests by members of this NG during the Integra frenzy. Of course, that all happened long before you started posting here which would at least partially explain your ignorance. As long as I’m dishing out smack I might as well throw in one more. Your take on the "cast vs forged" thing is bs. I’m out! (uh oh, to much Jim Rome this week). Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd

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I suppose there are multiple ways to trim a golf shaft. One way for graphite; is to apply on center an one inch width, or wider, masking tape at the cut site. This maneuver should make for a clean cut with no burrs, or damage to the shaft. Wrap the spot to be cut 3-4 times with 1", or wider, masking tape. If in doubt about where the mark to cut is, use a marks a lot pen while measuring. Take a mitre box, and a 12" hacksaw with 30 teeth per inch, and saw where marked. Remove the tape. If an one inch by thirty inch belt sander is available, or by hand, slightly dress the tip of the shaft, smooth it up. Prior to removing the finish (decorative / protective coating), tape at a point – up the shaft from the cut end, equivalent in inches to the hosel depth + the ferrule length, minus 1/16". Remove only the decorative coating at this point, and as a final touch for good adhesion of the epoxy glue, abrade the tip in a linear fashion – one or two times – with a medium grit sand paper. Remove any dusty debris. Any heavy scoring of a graphite shaft should be avoided. —– Steel shafts can be cut with a tubing cutter, and the chrome finish on the shaft’s tip can be completely removed with an 1"x 30" belt sander, or equivalent, or by hand sanding, just down to the brassy look, no farther. By slightly roughing up the area with sand paper where the ferrule / hosel go on the shaft is an aid to good adhesion of the epoxy glue. A shaft – regardless of it’s composition, during the prep exercise, should not be subjected to undue mechanical damage. If this happens, you can expect – trouble. —— After putting together a couple of fairway woods I’m embarking on a set of irons. I cut the graphite shafts for the woods with a hacksaw after taping and scoring them. It was the only part of the production I was really tentative about. Bob Andrews

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What are the differences between Tommy Armour 845 and 855

admin — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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I have a set of 855s silver scot irons. The set is about 5 years old. I would like to know how do they differ physically from a 845’s of the same age. Is it the size of the club head or what? Or is 855 just what Tommy Armour named their clubs around that time. Jussi

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Is it the size of the club head or what? Or is 855 just what Tommy Armour named their clubs around that time.

I still play with a set of early 1990’s 845 Silver Scots. As I recall the 855’s had a slightly larger club head and the perimeter weighting was a tad different.

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The 845 and 855 are different clubs and are designed for players of different skill levels. The 845 is a ‘players’ club, with a small cavity back head cast from 431 SS that has minimal offset and a relatively high center of gravity. Even though it is a cavity back, it is not a thin face club and better players can easily work the ball left or right. The 855 is a game improvement club, cast from 17-4 SS. The clubhead is approximately 10% larger than the 845, with greater offset, a deeper cavity and lower center of gravity. The 855 will still allow better players to work the ball, but not to the extent of the 845. In fact the 855 looks enough like the 845 that it is often mistaken for the 845 until the label inside the cavity is read. Keep in mind that Armour’s idea of a ‘game improvement’ club at the time they developed the 855 was considerably different than what most people think of for a game improvement design. The 855 doesn’t have a wide sole, a rebounding face, massive offset or a CoG 1/8" above the sole. Even though all of these design features are greater than in 855 than in the 845, they are still minimal when compared to other game improvement designs, like the Callaway X-12/X14. If the 855 had been designed by Callaway it would be their ‘player’s club. — Dan Driscoll Member – NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld

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Thank you! This was just the information (and then some) I was looking for. Now I can recommend 855’s over the set 845’s that my friend is considering as his first set of clubs. Jussi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The 845 and 855 are different clubs and are designed for players of different skill levels. The 845 is a ‘players’ club, with a small cavity back head cast from 431 SS that has minimal offset and a relatively high center of gravity. Even though it is a cavity back, it is not a thin face club and better players can easily work the ball left or right. The 855 is a game improvement club, cast from 17-4 SS. The clubhead is approximately 10% larger than the 845, with greater offset, a deeper cavity and lower center of gravity. The 855 will still allow better players to work the ball, but not to the extent of the 845. In fact the 855 looks enough like the 845 that it is often mistaken for the 845 until the label inside the cavity is read. Keep in mind that Armour’s idea of a ‘game improvement’ club at the time they developed the 855 was considerably different than what most people think of for a game improvement design. The 855 doesn’t have a wide sole, a rebounding face, massive offset or a CoG 1/8" above the sole. Even though all of these design features are greater than in 855 than in the 845, they are still minimal when compared to other game improvement designs, like the Callaway X-12/X14. If the 855 had been designed by Callaway it would be their ‘player’s club. — Dan Driscoll Member – NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld

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Difficulty of DIY regripping

admin — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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On golfsmith.com, they have a pretty good selection of DIY regripping kits which are very inexpensive compared to the grips I buy at my local shop. Lampkin crosslines cost 6.50 each plus 2 dollars labor charge. Ping corded cost 8.50 each! Extremely expensive. At golfsmith, 13 lamkins crosslines in the kit cost under 30 bucks total.! To regrip my entire set will set me back about 100 bucks. These are hand me down clubs from my father, and the grips are very slick and worn out. I did have one of the irons regripped with a ping corded and the Callaway Big Bertha2 driver regripped witha lamkin crossline. Very big difference in performance with the iron. Haven’t tried out the driver yet. So how difficult is it to regrip on your own? Do I need a vice, which I don’t have? Also, I can’t tell if the ping IS3 Ping grip kit on golfsmith.com is corded or not. Not a very good photo. Thx

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On golfsmith.com, they have a pretty good selection of DIY regripping kits which are very inexpensive compared to the grips I buy at my local shop. Lampkin crosslines cost 6.50 each plus 2 dollars labor charge. Ping corded cost 8.50 each! Extremely expensive. At golfsmith, 13 lamkins crosslines in the kit cost under 30 bucks total.! To regrip my entire set will set me back about 100 bucks. These are hand me down clubs from my father, and the grips are very slick and worn out. I did have one of the irons regripped with a ping corded and the Callaway Big Bertha2 driver regripped witha lamkin crossline. Very big difference in performance with the iron. Haven’t tried out the driver yet. So how difficult is it to regrip on your own? Do I need a vice, which I don’t have? Also, I can’t tell if the ping IS3 Ping grip kit on golfsmith.com is corded or not. Not a very good photo. Thx

It is not hard to regrip a club. And as you have figured out, you can sometimes save a lot of money if you DIY. A fair labor charge for regripping would be about $3-4, IMO. $8.50 each is producing a pretty decent profit for whomever is doing it. You need some grip tape (double-sided tape), grip solvent (mineral spirits or naptha will work), grips (get an extra just in case), and some way to secure the club (get a rubber vise clamp to use in your vise, costs circa $2-3). You’ll also need a catch pan to catch the solvent; a roller paint pan is one thing that would work for you. A vise works well. Some who regrip their clubs do it w/o a vise, but I think it’s harder for a first-timer to figure out how to do it that way. The instructions in the golfsmith catalog are good. Follow them. In brief, you put the double-sided tape on the shaft, pour some grip solvent in the grip (hold your index finger over the hole in the butt end of the grip when you do this , swish it around to get the inside of the grip wet, then pour it out over the tape, activating the tape. What it does is make the tape slick, which allows the grip to slide on. When the tape "deactivates" it returns to its formerly sticky state, which holds the grip on firmly. No reason why you can’t do this. Or shouldn’t. Mike PS: Once you’ve mastered regripping, perhaps you’d give some consideration to making your own clubs. It’s not that hard, actually. Wait until you discover how inexpensive it is to do that, compared to paying $900 for a set of OEM clubs. — Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2003 Information: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2003 RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On golfsmith.com, they have a pretty good selection of DIY regripping kits which are very inexpensive compared to the grips I buy at my local shop. Lampkin crosslines cost 6.50 each plus 2 dollars labor charge. Ping corded cost 8.50 each! Extremely expensive. At golfsmith, 13 lamkins crosslines in the kit cost under 30 bucks total.! To regrip my entire set will set me back about 100 bucks. These are hand me down clubs from my father, and the grips are very slick and worn out. I did have one of the irons regripped with a ping corded and the Callaway Big Bertha2 driver regripped witha lamkin crossline. Very big difference in performance with the iron. Haven’t tried out the driver yet. So how difficult is it to regrip on your own? Do I need a vice, which I don’t have? Also, I can’t tell if the ping IS3 Ping grip kit on golfsmith.com is corded or not. Not a very good photo.

One of teh easiest things you’ll ever try. Look here: http://www.swingweight.com/installing_new_grips.htm

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In brief, you put the double-sided tape on the shaft, pour some grip solvent in the grip (hold your index finger over the hole in the butt end of the grip when you do this , swish it around to get the inside of the grip wet, then pour it out over the tape, activating the tape. What it does is make the tape slick, which allows the grip to slide on. When the tape "deactivates" it returns to its formerly sticky state, which holds the grip on firmly.

Mike’s directions are good, all I’d add is don’t be shy about how much solvent you use. I go ahead and fill the grip up, then pour it out over the tape. You collect and re-use the stuff anyway, so using extra is no big deal. Getting one stuck half way on is no fun. Also, some grips seem to be harder to get on in very cold weather, so if you are working outside in a cold climate, don’t do it with the temperature below freezing, and if you have to work in the cold, keep all the materials inside and get the grip nice and warm (i.e. from a hot air duct or radiator) and all the tape applied before taking everything outside to put the solvent on. PS: Once you’ve mastered regripping, perhaps you’d give some consideration to making your own clubs. It’s not that hard, actually. Wait until you discover how inexpensive it is to do that, compared to paying $900 for a set of OEM clubs.

Beware the dark side — once you start down that path forever will it guide your destiny . . . — http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery )

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I used to regrip my clubs myself. But I found someone local who does it for 2 bucks each and the time saved is worth it. I would recommend a vice, rubber vice clamp protectors that hold the shaft better, and a utility knife and blades for graphite shafts. Once you have all that, it is easy. Just follow the instructions. Sometimes it is hard to start the grip on the shaft. Again, I used to do this, but it wound up bing cost prohibitive. The extra $30 to have a professional do this (in about 15 minutes) is worth it.

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PS: Once you’ve mastered regripping, perhaps you’d give some consideration to making your own clubs. It’s not that hard, actually. Wait until you discover how inexpensive it is to do that, compared to paying $900 for a set of OEM clubs. — Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker

Another evil darksider ‘trolling’ for his next victim. Mamma warned me about people like you. " Always keep your eyes fixed straight ahead, and keep walking ", she said.

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No reason why you can’t do this. Or shouldn’t.

Mike left out a step that can be a *real* pain, and more likely to be a pain with really old grips: getting the old tape off. Warming the tape gently, maybe soaking the old tape in solvent, and gentle scraping is the way to go for graphite. Heat and vigorous scraping will do fine on steel. It’s not difficult, just takes a while. Thomas Prufer

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I’ll add only one thing to the already fine instructions printed here…. When you put the tape on the shaft…be SURE..to OVERLAP the end of the shaft with tape. A few of my early attempts were faulted because the grip hung up on the bare shaft end. Putting the tape OVER the end allows for a slippery surface and easy work getting the grip started. RG

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Do what Freddy Couples does to extend grip life: sand your grips

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On golfsmith.com, they have a pretty good selection of DIY regripping kits which are very inexpensive compared to the grips I buy at my local shop. Lampkin crosslines cost 6.50 each plus 2 dollars labor charge. Ping corded cost 8.50 each! Extremely expensive. At golfsmith, 13 lamkins crosslines in the kit cost under 30 bucks total.! To regrip my entire set will set me back about 100 bucks. These are hand me down clubs from my father, and the grips are very slick and worn out. I did have one of the irons regripped with a ping corded and the Callaway Big Bertha2 driver regripped witha lamkin crossline. Very big difference in performance with the iron. Haven’t tried out the driver yet. So how difficult is it to regrip on your own? Do I need a vice, which I don’t have? Also, I can’t tell if the ping IS3 Ping grip kit on golfsmith.com is corded or not. Not a very good photo. Thx

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I don’t "wrap" the tape, personally, so this doesn’t come up. I just run a straight piece of tape about 15" long or so, directly over the end, straight down each side of the shaft. Quick and easy and I’ve never had a problem. Of course, I have small hands and want the least amount of tape possible, but I think I’d just buy thicker grips if I had bigger hands, so I wouldn’t have to wind the tape. It also makes removing the tape a breeze when changing grips. All in all, regripping is so quick and easy, I can’t imagine wasting all the time it takes to get somebody else to do it! I’d probably change my own grips even if it cost the same, just so I wouldn’t have the hassle of 1) being without my clubs, 2) taking them to get them regripped and the going to pick them up, etc. Fortunately, it costs next to nothing to change a grip. My only other observation is that lighter fluid works just fine. I see no reason whatsoever to use the ritzy solvents — not even health reasons unless you’re changing a bazillion grips on a daily basis. (And even then, I wonder — those fancy solvents smell really scary, and I suspect they just haven’t been tested for hazardous effects the way petroleum distillates have, so nobody really knows what the freaky stuff will do to you.)

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Look around…you may find a pro shop that does it pretty cheap. I have a local shop that charges me the cost of the grip with free installation (I think they have about a $1 markup on each grip).

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I used to regrip my clubs myself. But I found someone local who does it for 2 bucks each and the time saved is worth it. I would recommend a vice…

Isn’t clubmaking already a vice? Bob Ontario, California Oh….vise, you mean. Ne’er mind.

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Taylor Made Refurbished Site?

admin — Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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www.3balls.com TM oftened dumps Tour Van stuff there too.

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Sorry, I was absolutely wrong. The best I could come up with was the 3Ball site which seemed to have a lot of used Taylormade 500 series. Must be a pretty good secret. . .

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I hear there’s a great factory Taylor Made site with all of their refurbished clubs. Anyone have a URL for it? Thanks, Joe Cortney

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I hear there’s a great factory Taylor Made site with all of their refurbished clubs. Anyone have a URL for it?

For gods sake, man! google on "TaylorMade refurbished golf clubs" and you’ll get tons of ‘em

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I was told on the course the other day that there was an article in Golf Digest about the "best kept secret in clubs" about a factory Taylor Made site that sells clubs they refurbish. I’ve searched but can’t seem to find it, if it exists. Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hear there’s a great factory Taylor Made site with all of their refurbished clubs. Anyone have a URL for it? For gods sake, man! google on "TaylorMade refurbished golf clubs" and you’ll get tons of ‘em

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If you had said Callaway instead of Taylor Made I’d have sent you here: http://www.callawaygolfpreowned.com/index.html But I don’t know of a corresponding Taylor Made site. And with Taylor Made bringing out new model clubs every quarter and dumping the old lines at Sam’s Club I can’t imagine they’d want to encourage a lot of traffic in older lines. Cheers, Loren