Question:
o 3-wood 16 degrees o Strong 4-wood 15.25 degrees o 4-wood 16.8 degrees o 5-wood 17.5 degrees
geez…not only did I screw up by getting the +4 instead of the 4… the 5 is what i really wanted. should’ve stayed with the 19d Toski Ti 5 wood… "Nice 3 wood shot." "Its not a 3, it’s a 5." "_That’s_ a 5 wood?!?"
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Rick, I believe the Callaway Deuce is 12 degrees. The 3+ is 13-degrees. Randy NEWLY UPDATED AND EXPANDED!!! One of the web’s most-visited personal golf websites Featured in the USGA’s official publication, "Golf Journal" http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com Now with more pages of instruction, golf news, links, essays, information and other cool stuff "Have you ever walked into a room and forgot why you walked in? Now you know how your dog feels." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just bought a Callaway steel head 2 wood (I used a gift certificate that I won in my first golf tournament so I paid about $40). I had swung the club a few times and was looking to get a club that I could use off the tee as I have been using my 16 degree 3 wood and I wanted something that would give me a flatter ball flight but I wasn’t ready to go to a regular driver just yet. I like the club and it does give me the extra distance and a little more roll. but I was interested in the loft of the club. After checking out their web page I noticed that they did not give the lofts of the fairway woods. They gave the lofts of their drivers, but not the fairway woods. So I sent and E-mail to Callaway to inquire as the lofts of their fairway woods in the steelhead line. They would not tell me. I am including their response which I think is a blatant attempt to hide something because the reason they give is such dog squeeze. Does anyone know off hand what the lofts of the various fairway mettles are? I’m interested in the difference between the strong three and three. also the loft of the 2. (I suspect it’s around 12 or 13). Any help would be appreciated. The DeMented Golfer "Forget about World Peace…Visualize using your turn signal." Rick DeMent "Time to pull a quick Hank Snow." From callaway customer no-service…. Thank you for taking the time to write. We were pleased to read of your interest in Callaway Golf. In general, we do not publish the loft of our golf clubs because we do not feel that this number alone is a good tool for comparison. Loft is only one factor that effects the ball flight trajectory of your shot. Therefore, when you compare just based on loft, you are assuming that all the other factors that effect ball flight trajectory are equal. As you may know, our golf clubs have a very unique design, including the short straight hollow hosel, so the other factors are definitely not equal. We feel that the best tool in determining the performance of our golf clubs is to actually hit them. If you still feel that having the loft angle will help you, we would be happy to share this information with you by phone. We encourage you to call our Customer Service Department at (800) 228-2767. Or, if you are calling from within California, please contact us at (760) 931-1771. Thank you.
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Given that fact that they freely publish the lofts of the steelhead drivers, and they don’t feel the same way with respect to the "dangers of focusing on loft there", I do not feel they have any valid argument at all. The idea that I took the time to ask a simple question in writing they should have them bending over backwards to answer it without insulting my intelligence with a bunch of marketing drivel. I sent an E-mail precisely because I did not want to call a number and go thorough the usual drill of pressing this number or that number and holding for the next representative. If I were a company I would be thrilled to answer such a question but I would also encourage the person to try the club. BTW I have hit the club I like the club. I was thinking about buying another one but after trying the 2 and the strong 3 I was having a tough time figuring out the difference (other then a slightly shorter shaft on the 3. So I aske the question. As a follow up. I sent them a note back. Not nasty but a bit on the tangy side and low and behold here is there response. Sir: It is not that the information you are requesting is "top secrect", we just feel that if you are looking at on specific feature or specification of our clubs, one could easily be misleaded. The following is the loft information you requested. o 2-wood (The Deuce) 13.5 degrees o Strong 3-wood 13.25 degrees o 3-wood 16 degrees o Strong 4-wood 15.25 degrees o 4-wood 16.8 degrees o 5-wood 17.5 degrees o 7-wood (HeavenWood) 20 degrees o 9-wood (Divine Nine) 24 degrees o 11-wood (Ely Would) 27 degrees If you have any further questions please feel free to email or call our Customer Service Department at (800) 228-2767, or (760) 931-1771 if calling from Southern California. A Customer Service Representative will be more then happy to assist. So in other words I’m to stupid to figure out that there are other specifications that influance ball flight. God thanks for telling me that. Now I see why the clubs "hit longer" I have a 5 wood with mor loft then their 7 wood. The DeMented Golfer "Forget about World Peace…Visualize using your turn signal." Rick DeMent "Time to pull a quick Hank Snow." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….story snipped i’ve got to wonder what the problem is here?? callaway made some reasonably valid statements in thier reply to you and finished by saying if you really want to know the loft give us a call and we’ll help you out. if they hadn’t offered the last i’d have been more skeptical. so i guess that you have either of 2 choices now, you can spend 5 minutes on a phone call to have your question answered or you can spend a half hour or so taking the club to a club builder to have him measure it for you. depend on how much you want to know the answer. fwiw i think the callaway 2’s are about 12* with the strong 3’s at around 13*. also just in case you get the wrong idea i’m not related to callaway in any way shape or form, in fact i don’t have any of their products in my bag at the moment either. brett
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….story snipped i’ve got to wonder what the problem is here?? callaway made some reasonably valid statements in thier reply to you and finished by saying if you really want to know the loft give us a call and we’ll help you out. if they hadn’t offered the last i’d have been more skeptical. so i guess that you have either of 2 choices now, you can spend 5 minutes on a phone call to have your question answered or you can spend a half hour or so taking the club to a club builder to have him measure it for you. depend on how much you want to know the answer. fwiw i think the callaway 2’s are about 12* with the strong 3’s at around 13*. also just in case you get the wrong idea i’m not related to callaway in any way shape or form, in fact i don’t have any of their products in my bag at the moment either. brett
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Just to add my tuppence worth, I have a Callaway Steelhead 5W and 3W, the 5W’s loft is apreciably less than my old 5W, maybe by as much as 5 degrees(my estimate). Similarly the 3W’s loft is also less than my old 3W by only by a degree or two. Yes I do hit the ball further with both clubs, but the ball also feels a bit more lively when hit by the Steelheads. Crispin Roche – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….story snipped i’ve got to wonder what the problem is here?? callaway made some reasonably valid statements in thier reply to you and finished by saying if you really want to know the loft give us a call and we’ll help you out. if they hadn’t offered the last i’d have been more skeptical. so i guess that you have either of 2 choices now, you can spend 5 minutes on a phone call to have your question answered or you can spend a half hour or so taking the club to a club builder to have him measure it for you. depend on how much you want to know the answer. fwiw i think the callaway 2’s are about 12* with the strong 3’s at around 13*. also just in case you get the wrong idea i’m not related to callaway in any way shape or form, in fact i don’t have any of their products in my bag at the moment either. brett
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No I am not with Callaway or any other golf-related company. I do not know why they do not publish the lofts of their fairway woods. They are also reluctant to publish the lofts of their irons. I suspect that the lofts may be stronger than for other clubs. In any event, if you want to know you will probably have to call them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They would have helped me best by simply answering my question in the E-mail with out wasting more of my time by redirecting me to a phone number. I also resent the fact that they ASSUME I have not hit the club. I have. Now I want more information. I am busy, I don’t want to call the phone number. The very reason I sent the E-mail was to avoid calling the number. You are probably from Callaway, that is the same lame response I got from them. I have a steelhead 2 wood. I was curious as to the lofts of the other clubs. But no, they want to play it close to vest, I’ll just not buy another Callaway club. BTW they publish the lofts for the steelhead drivers so why all the "help" when it comes to the fairway woods?
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They would have helped me best by simply answering my question in the E-mail with out wasting more of my time by redirecting me to a phone number. I also resent the fact that they ASSUME I have not hit the club. I have. Now I want more information. I am busy, I don’t want to call the phone number. The very reason I sent the E-mail was to avoid calling the number. You are probably from Callaway, that is the same lame response I got from them. I have a steelhead 2 wood. I was curious as to the lofts of the other clubs. But no, they want to play it close to vest, I’ll just not buy another Callaway club. BTW they publish the lofts for the steelhead drivers so why all the "help" when it comes to the fairway woods? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sounds to me like they are trying to help you by suggesting that you make decisions based on the clubs performance in your hands rather than on the club’s specifications. That way you can tell what works best for you with your swing. If you really want to know the lofts of their fairway woods give them a call. I have called their customer service with questions abouts their shafts and they were very helpful and willing to share information. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Sounds to me like they are trying to help you by suggesting that you make decisions based on the clubs performance in your hands rather than on the club’s specifications. That way you can tell what works best for you with your swing. If you really want to know the lofts of their fairway woods give them a call. I have called their customer service with questions abouts their shafts and they were very helpful and willing to share information. Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just bought a Callaway steel head 2 wood (I used a gift certificate that I won in my first golf tournament so I paid about $40). I had swung the club a few times and was looking to get a club that I could use off the tee as I have been using my 16 degree 3 wood and I wanted something that would give me a flatter ball flight but I wasn’t ready to go to a regular driver just yet. I like the club and it does give me the extra distance and a little more roll. but I was interested in the loft of the club. After checking out their web page I noticed that they did not give the lofts of the fairway woods. They gave the lofts of their drivers, but not the fairway woods. So I sent and E-mail to Callaway to inquire as the lofts of their fairway woods in the steelhead line. They would not tell me. I am including their response which I think is a blatant attempt to hide something because the reason they give is such dog squeeze. Does anyone know off hand what the lofts of the various fairway mettles are? I’m interested in the difference between the strong three and three. also the loft of the 2. (I suspect it’s around 12 or 13). Any help would be appreciated. The DeMented Golfer "Forget about World Peace…Visualize using your turn signal." Rick DeMent "Time to pull a quick Hank Snow." From callaway customer no-service…. Thank you for taking the time to write. We were pleased to read of your interest in Callaway Golf. In general, we do not publish the loft of our golf clubs because we do not feel that this number alone is a good tool for comparison. Loft is only one factor that effects the ball flight trajectory of your shot. Therefore, when you compare just based on loft, you are assuming that all the other factors that effect ball flight trajectory are equal. As you may know, our golf clubs have a very unique design, including the short straight hollow hosel, so the other factors are definitely not equal. We feel that the best tool in determining the performance of our golf clubs is to actually hit them. If you still feel that having the loft angle will help you, we would be happy to share this information with you by phone. We encourage you to call our Customer Service Department at (800) 228-2767. Or, if you are calling from within California, please contact us at (760) 931-1771. Thank you.
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I just bought a Callaway steel head 2 wood (I used a gift certificate that I won in my first golf tournament so I paid about $40). I had swung the club a few times and was looking to get a club that I could use off the tee as I have been using my 16 degree 3 wood and I wanted something that would give me a flatter ball flight but I wasn’t ready to go to a regular driver just yet. I like the club and it does give me the extra distance and a little more roll. but I was interested in the loft of the club. After checking out their web page I noticed that they did not give the lofts of the fairway woods. They gave the lofts of their drivers, but not the fairway woods. So I sent and E-mail to Callaway to inquire as the lofts of their fairway woods in the steelhead line. They would not tell me. I am including their response which I think is a blatant attempt to hide something because the reason they give is such dog squeeze. Does anyone know off hand what the lofts of the various fairway mettles are? I’m interested in the difference between the strong three and three. also the loft of the 2. (I suspect it’s around 12 or 13). Any help would be appreciated. The DeMented Golfer "Forget about World Peace…Visualize using your turn signal." Rick DeMent "Time to pull a quick Hank Snow." From callaway customer no-service…. Thank you for taking the time to write. We were pleased to read of your interest in Callaway Golf. In general, we do not publish the loft of our golf clubs because we do not feel that this number alone is a good tool for comparison. Loft is only one factor that effects the ball flight trajectory of your shot. Therefore, when you compare just based on loft, you are assuming that all the other factors that effect ball flight trajectory are equal. As you may know, our golf clubs have a very unique design, including the short straight hollow hosel, so the other factors are definitely not equal. We feel that the best tool in determining the performance of our golf clubs is to actually hit them. If you still feel that having the loft angle will help you, we would be happy to share this information with you by phone. We encourage you to call our Customer Service Department at (800) 228-2767. Or, if you are calling from within California, please contact us at (760) 931-1771. Thank you.